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    Getting pretty pumped for this book. I found this very thought-provoking.

    “This was no overnight success,” Renoff said, adding that it wasn’t like an “American Idol” situation where you audition and sing a few times and all of a sudden you are touring arenas. “These guys worked their asses off and really had numerous opportunities (to quit) where other people would have folded.”
    Renoff said one of those instances came in 1976, when Gene Simmons took Van Halen to New York.
    “And KISS’ manager says ‘I don’t see anything here. You guys have no commercial potential.’ This is, like, the manager of the most powerful rock band in the world at that time. It’s hard for me to imagine what that would be like with someone with that level of authority in the industry saying ‘I don’t see it. You guys are never going to make it.’”
    They were incredibly dedicated. Most people would quit at some point. I never gave it a lot of thought before, but hearing that from KISS' manager had to be a knife to the ribs. Yet they went back home and kept at it. Amazing.

    That is something I would like to see them sitting around talking about. What are their thoughts on that? Was there a particular member of the band who kept them from being discouraged? (Yes...I'm thinking Dave here)

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    They were ready to pack it in, if the Mo Ostin gig, didn't generate excitement for WB.

    At least that was my understanding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpospoke View Post
    Getting pretty pumped for this book. I found this very thought-provoking.



    They were incredibly dedicated. Most people would quit at some point. I never gave it a lot of thought before, but hearing that from KISS' manager had to be a knife to the ribs. Yet they went back home and kept at it. Amazing.

    That is something I would like to see them sitting around talking about. What are their thoughts on that? Was there a particular member of the band who kept them from being discouraged? (Yes...I'm thinking Dave here)

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/feat...2f5fd9ce5.html
    Looking forward to this book. Dave talked about this in his book. He was on to Simmons' plan from the start. He said Gene wanted Eddie for KISS and was trying hard. Gene would invite Eddie to a gig or a party and not say anything to anyone else. Dave, being hip to what was going on, would show up with Ed and give a surprised Gene a look like "yeah, I know what's up". Can't wait to read what was dug up for this book.

     "He has a swaggering retro machismo that will give hives to the Steinem cabal" -Camille Paglia on Donald Trump

    "Make way for the bad guy"- Tony Montana

    'This hamburger don't need no helper"- David Lee Roth

    "I wish Bon Jovi would've given me a call before he recorded all of his hits, because the lyrics would've been smarter, the melodies would've been much more smashing, and they would've sold a lot fewer records." -David Lee Roth

    "My beef is people thinking Bon Jovi is good cuz they sold lots of records to housewives." -tango

    "But being number one doesn’t really mean jack fuck all. We sold twice as many records as other records that year (1984) that landed in the Number One position." ~Eddie Van Halen

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    I just gotta say it:
    Piss on Gene
    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    “A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.”

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    Ed and Al would still be playing bars and clubs, had the moment not arrived for them. I believe that.
    Dave? Not so sure. I am pretty sure he would be in the entertainment industry somehow, even as a gofer. Like in 'Rocky II' when the hero takes a menial job in a gym, because his fight career seems over..."I gotta be around it"

    Mike? He marries Sue, and works at Claudio's garage, waiting for a down and out vocalist to be rescued from the clutches of rib fests and county fairs
    "There's too many people on this basketball that's floating around the sun, who are too afraid to allow themselves to FEEL" - Edward Van Halen
    "Van Halen was never about the singer..." - a very wise fan.
    "Embrace the past. Live in the moment but keep your eyes on the future, and keep on moving forward..." - Richie Sambora

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    CANNOT WAIT for this book!

    October!

    The Kiss book, Nothin to lose, was an absolute classic.
    Ever stone turned from the early days.

    Rising should be similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    They were ready to pack it in, if the Mo Ostin gig, didn't generate excitement for WB.

    At least that was my understanding...
    NO absolutely not. Wherever you read that is 100% incorrect.

    Keep in mind there's more to the Bill Aucoin not signing them story.....

    Paul and Bill didn't appreciate Gene spending time on other artists.....so they pretty much put the kybosh on signing VH before Bill even met them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    Looking forward to this book. Dave talked about this in his book. He was on to Simmons' plan from the start. He said Gene wanted Eddie for KISS and was trying hard. Gene would invite Eddie to a gig or a party and not say anything to anyone else. Dave, being hip to what was going on, would show up with Ed and give a surprised Gene a look like "yeah, I know what's up". Can't wait to read what was dug up for this book.

    You can't believe everything Dave says.....
    " On a scale that ranges from deep dark depression to rip roaring fun ... most people idle between pissed off ...and not too pissed off " DLR 1997

    " I am the danger ... I am the one who knocks " Walter White 2011

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    I can't believe Bill Aucoin would be foolish enough to pass on VH.

    First off, you have this freak of nature guitar player in 1978.
    Second, and most importantly, you have the tunes!

    Unlike their rivals Quiet Riot, Van Halen had incredible songs, right out of the gate.

    The only thing i can think of is the musical landscape at the time:
    Disco, Sean Cassidy, Olivia Newton John, Grease...

    Hard rock was considered dead & buried by some, at that point.

    I just cannot fathom Bill passing on something like that, unless he was convinced
    there'd be no future market for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    You can't believe everything Dave says.....
    That's his take. I can't wait for this book for an outside perspective on this and everything else.

     "He has a swaggering retro machismo that will give hives to the Steinem cabal" -Camille Paglia on Donald Trump

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    "I wish Bon Jovi would've given me a call before he recorded all of his hits, because the lyrics would've been smarter, the melodies would've been much more smashing, and they would've sold a lot fewer records." -David Lee Roth

    "My beef is people thinking Bon Jovi is good cuz they sold lots of records to housewives." -tango

    "But being number one doesn’t really mean jack fuck all. We sold twice as many records as other records that year (1984) that landed in the Number One position." ~Eddie Van Halen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    NO absolutely not. Wherever you read that is 100% incorrect.
    I heard it from Mike. Can't remember where though. Anyway...

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    How far into VH's career does this book cover in depth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    I heard it from Mike. Can't remember where though. Anyway...
    Peppers? Disneyland? The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
    "It's so lonely at the top because it's so crowded at the bottom" - Diamond David Lee Roth

    "If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving is not for you"

    "Be careful what you wish for because you just might lose what you already have"

    "Women and Children First ... The REAL Van Halen III"

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    Peppers? Disneyland? The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
    Haha! Interview, or it may have been that Van Halen Early Years dvd...

 

 

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