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    May 17, 2015

    An Air Force general who recently spoke about how God has guided his career should be court-martialed, a civil liberties group is saying.

    In a speech at a National Day of Prayer Task Force event on May 7, Maj. Gen. Craig Olson credits God for his accomplishments in the military, and refers to himself as a “redeemed believer in Christ.”


    The Air Force Times reports that the Military Religious Freedom Foundation has taken issue with Olson’s remarks, is calling for the two-star general to be court-martialed and "aggressively and very visibly brought to justice for his unforgivable crimes and transgressions."

    The group authored a letter to Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Walsh, arguing that Olson’s speech violates rules within the Air Force, which prohibits airmen from endorsing a particular faith or belief.

    The letter, posted on the group’s website, begins, “This demand letter is sent to you on behalf of countless members of the United States Air Force who are utterly disgusted and shocked by the brazenly illicit and wholly unconstitutional, fundamentalist Christian proselytizing recently perpetrated, on international television (“GOD TV”), and streaming all over the Internet and in full military uniform, by USAF Major General Craig S. Olson on Thursday, May 7, 2015 during a VERY public speech for a private Christian organization (The “National Day of Prayer Task Force”: NDPTF) headed up by Focus on the Family founder, Dr. James Dobson’s, wife Shirley Dobson. “

    ". . . disgusted and shocked by the brazenly illicit and wholly unconstitutional, fundamentalist Christian proselytizing . . ."

    - letter from Military Religious Freedom Foundation

    The group, which believes that the American flag and the U.S. Constitution are the only religious symbol and scripture, respectively, for those who serve in the military, also wants other service members who helped Olson to be investigated and punished "to the full extent of military law."

    During Olson’s 23-minute talk, the Air Force Times reports, Olson spoke of "flying complex aircraft; doing complex nuclear missions — I have no ability to do that. God enabled me to do that."


    "He put me in charge of failing programs worth billions of dollars,” Olson said. “I have no ability to do that, no training to do that. God did that. He sent me to Iraq to negotiate foreign military sales deals through an Arabic interpreter. I have no ability to do that. I was not trained to do that. God did all of that."

    At the end of his speech, Olson asked those in attendance to pray for Defense Department leaders and troops preparing to be deployed.

    Olson is the program executive officer at Hanscom Air Force Base in Massachusetts, where he is responsible for more than 2,200 personnel, according to the U.S. Air Force website. He was commissioned in 1982 following graduation from the U.S. Air Force Academy and has extensive operational, flight test and acquisition experience.




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    I don't think he should be court-martialed and I don't think there's anything wrong with throwing the Big Guy a shout out once in a while but . . .

    Just maybe the guy shoulda thanked his immediate officers who trained him. Maybe the Air Force Academy that educated him. His subordinates who did his bidding and all the grunt work. How about the American taxpayer picking up the bill all those years. He probably put a lot of effort into the whole shooting match himself over the years.

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    Um, hello. He was speaking at the National Day of Prayer Task Force. Obviously he's going to work GOD into his speech.

    Good, impeach him and see where you end up with a bunch of tree huggin non believers protecting your pitiful life.
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    I'm sorry...The last part of Sickman's comment doesn't make sense to me - it seems to be suggesting that people who don't believe in God can't be good soldiers? Maybe it's just emotive rhetoric, but it sounds JUST as disrespectful as the manner in which the Air Force General is being treated (the reporting of which may or not be entirely accurate, given that Fox News is the source ).

    It's silly - and unhelpful...Surely ALL of those who are prepared to give their lives to protect the rest of us are all worthy of equal respect, irrespective of faith (or absence of it)?
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    Yeah I know where he was. He went way over the top. Give some credit to the people below you. God loves grunts too. Not just generals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood P. View Post
    Yeah I know where he was. He went way over the top. Give some credit to the people below you. God loves grunts too. Not just generals.
    Just to clear, my comment was directed towards the group that wants to punish this man, not you.
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    No probs. Yeah, they're a nutty bunch.
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    Lets take away his kids too since he thanked god for helping he and his wife raise their kids. He spoke about God giving him his wife, God gave him 4 great sons. Do we see a trend here on what his speech is about?

    Yes, there are people in our military who don't believe in god, that's fine, You obviously don't need to believe in a god to be a good soldier, the military will handle that, but it doesn't hurt to have some sort of belief system in life in general. To punish a man for speaking in front of a group of people who believe in god about his belief in god is just ridiculous. He wasn't there to speak about anything other than his belief in GOD, not who thrained him to be a soldier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dibblekins View Post
    I'm sorry...The last part of Sickman's comment doesn't make sense to me - it seems to be suggesting that people who don't believe in God can't be good soldiers? Maybe it's just emotive rhetoric, but it sounds JUST as disrespectful as the manner in which the Air Force General is being treated (the reporting of which may or not be entirely accurate, given that Fox News is the source ).

    It's silly - and unhelpful...Surely ALL of those who are prepared to give their lives to protect the rest of us are all worthy of equal respect, irrespective of faith (or absence of it)?
    You are just upset he didn't talk about how God giving women superior immune system makes them better soldiers.
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    I liked atheists better before they became their own religion and as intolerant as any of the religions that they oppose.

    And I am not speaking of individual atheists but the "organized" ones. I go to church and I am not sure if I believe any of it, but I just find it a tad hypocritical that they are starting to resemble those that they dislike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    I liked atheists better before they became their own religion and as intolerant as any of the religions that they oppose.

    And I am not speaking of individual atheists but the "organized" ones. I go to church and I am not sure if I believe any of it, but I just find it a tad hypocritical that they are starting to resemble those that they dislike.
    I'd agree with that. This world would be such a wonderful place if only the people living in it could have a bit more respect for one another. We're all just humans being, after all.

    Anyway, all of that happy-clappy stuff aside for a moment - women's immune systems are superior to men's. Now bog off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dibblekins View Post
    Now bog off
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