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    (England) Doctors are being told to ask all patients over 75 if they will agree to a 'do not resuscitate' order.

    New NHS guidelines urge GPs to draw up end-of-life plans for over-75s, as well as younger patients suffering from cancer, dementia, heart disease or serious lung conditions.

    They are also being told to ask whether the patient wants doctors to try to resuscitate them if their health suddenly deteriorates.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ate-order.html
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    I'm nowhere near 75 and I have a DNR order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdnangel View Post
    I'm nowhere near 75 and I have a DNR order.
    This may come across as being too personal, so let me know if I'm overstepping bounds here, but I find this fascinating and you've really piqued my curiosity.

    What's your reason?
    CNN may think my opinion matters, but you shouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    This may come across as being too personal, so let me know if I'm overstepping bounds here, but I find this fascinating and you've really piqued my curiosity.

    What's your reason?
    My brother died from brain cancer in 2013. I would never want to put my family through the agony of holding onto a loved one who is dieing.

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    Darn. Stupid tapa won't let me edit...

    Wanted to add that quality is better than quantity. If they're.going to resuscitate just so you can suffer and then die, why bother?

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    I don't know if it's the same in Britain, but in the US, there is a difference between advance directives, such as a living will or durable power of attorney for healthcare, and a DNR order. In general, an advance directive tells your healthcare provider what kind of medical treatment you want in the event that you become unable to make the decision due to incapacity. For example, a living will will say "If I have a terminal condition certified by a physician and I will die in short period of time and the use of artificial life-prolonging procedures will only artificially prolong the dying process, I do/do not want artificial hydration and/or nutrition." Advance directives are relatively common among all adult age groups, more so with the elderly, of course.

    A DNR order, on the other hand, is usually an order telling medical personnel that if you stop breathing or your heart stops beating, don't use CPR, artificial tubes or electric shock to resuscitate. It's most common with the elderly or those with terminal illness such as wide-spread cancer, significant kidney dysfunction, severe stroke, or something like that.

    The article isn't well-written and seems to muddle the distinction between the two. I don't see a problem with asking healthy people if they want an advance directive, but it would surprise me if otherwise healthy people are being asked if they want a DNR order. The article seems contradictory in that regard.

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    Thanks for answering cdnangel. I think my confusion was based on what UC wrote above. When I think of a DNR for someone young, I think of someone healthy getting in an accident or having a heart attack where they stop breathing or their heart stops. In that case I would absolutely want resuscitation, but I totally agree and get where you're coming from when we're talking about a terminal disease.
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    I have a pacemaker so it's pretty much a moot point for me anyway. My grandma had one and it slowed the dieing process down when she went.

 

 

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