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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi McFly View Post


    Hence why I asked for the source, because this comment makes it seem like some people are attributing Mike's firing to a decision by Wolfgang.
    I don't think anyone says or believes that WVH made the call about Mike.

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    Then my bad, I probably misunderstood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    Ed sounds like a huge dick, sometimes.

    If he hung up on me & told me to call his 16 year old kid instead, i'd be like "Go fuck yourself."

    It's like Ed appointed his kid the King, very bizarre:
    Call him, not me, motherfucker (i believe were his words).

    You have this working relationship with this guy, became huge stars, later you
    call the guy back, only to find he's appointed his teenaged son as the VH negotiator/
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    No doubt. If this did happen, it just leads more to the perception that Ed holds a lot of pent up animosity towards Dave. What ever Dave did to Ed (in Ed’s perception) was bad enough that he’s never fully going to get past it. Ed seems like the type of person who needs the “I am sorry for xyzz. Your the soul of this band and I should have treated you better back in the day.”

    Seems silly at this point in their lives, but the human psyche is fascinating. And To be fair, Dave’s out there and always has been. Always wanted to know what the world looks like through his eyes! One minute, “VH is a team all the way.” To “This is about ME man, not your fucking hip.” Not really same context buttons point is they both have inssues. They survive, what 3 tours together with Ed saying publically “Dave does not want to be my friend.” Dave said nothing in response to this that I am aware of, yet the show went on.

    Very strange dynamics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destructo3 View Post
    No doubt. If this did happen, it just leads more to the perception that Ed holds a lot of pent up animosity towards Dave. What ever Dave did to Ed (in Ed’s perception) was bad enough that he’s never fully going to get past it. Ed seems like the type of person who needs the “I am sorry for xyzz. Your the soul of this band and I should have treated you better back in the day.”

    Seems silly at this point in their lives, but the human psyche is fascinating. And To be fair, Dave’s out there and always has been. Always wanted to know what the world looks like through his eyes! One minute, “VH is a team all the way.” To “This is about ME man, not your fucking hip.” Not really same context buttons point is they both have inssues. They survive, what 3 tours together with Ed saying publically “Dave does not want to be my friend.” Dave said nothing in response to this that I am aware of, yet the show went on.

    Very strange dynamics.
    It almost makes it sound like being in a huge band is a business and not a bunch of buddies just hanging out together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    People who blame Wolf for what happened to Mike within Van Halen are ingoring that it was his dad that made the call; not some (at the time) 16 year old - but who could blame Wolf OR his dad for them wanting to play on stage together, had Ed thoughtfully explained stuff to Mike AND the fans, vs. Mike finding out the same way we did - then having Ed try to erase him AND completely marginalize his playing ability, the perception today would be MUCH different.
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    According to Roth. Wolf made the call.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    Maybe he did...then bad on Ed for letting a 16 year old direct the band members. 16 year old folks can't vote, serve in the military, drink (legally) and have barely gotten away from their voice changing. They shouldn't be doing executive calls on the legacy of a band.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi McFly View Post
    Can you source that quote? Because I've never heard that.
    This is what Jedi was referring to concerning people saying there was a WVH MA call...
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    It almost makes it sound like being in a huge band is a business and not a bunch of buddies just hanging out together.
    Lol. Wow, how did I miss that?

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    I wonder if when Dave dies, Ed would post something diplomatic:

    He was a difficult man, but also an extremely creative man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    I wonder if when Dave dies, Ed would post something diplomatic:

    He was a difficult man, but also an extremely creative man.
    Dave is going to live to 110 like many Japanese people seem to!

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    Don't forget that as far as we know, Ed was a right mess at the time he told Dave to call Wolf. He wasn't sober, so his actions were probably not they way he would react today, many years sober, happy etc. I don't think Ed was in a good place in many ways at that time, and the tour, getting the band back together, getting out and playing, Janie etc. probably saved him. Just my opinion, but it would certainly explain why he would act like such as dick, when so many people have said that he's such a sweetheart in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    It almost makes it sound like being in a huge band is a business and not a bunch of buddies just hanging out together.
    Yeah..I don't keep in touch with any former coworkers. It is what it is
    Dealing with it.

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    I get the feeling that Ed told Dave to call Wolf with a bit of a smile on his face, not a sneer, but I'm always an optimist when it comes to their relationship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    I wonder if when Dave dies, Ed would post something diplomatic:

    He was a difficult man, but also an extremely creative man.
    LOL at "Ed would post"

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    "We're aware of the rumors that Dave has passed on, but rumors are just that."

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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    I wonder if when Dave dies, Ed would post something diplomatic:

    He was a difficult man, but also an extremely creative man.
    Well, whatever information comes from the VH Camp regarding Dave's, "Passing", I'm sure it will come from Kody. And judging by my findings, Kody and Dave probably didn't hang out all that much. So........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destructo3 View Post
    No doubt. If this did happen, it just leads more to the perception that Ed holds a lot of pent up animosity towards Dave. What ever Dave did to Ed (in Ed’s perception) was bad enough that he’s never fully going to get past it. Ed seems like the type of person who needs the “I am sorry for xyzz. Your the soul of this band and I should have treated you better back in the day.”

    Seems silly at this point in their lives, but the human psyche is fascinating. And To be fair, Dave’s out there and always has been. Always wanted to know what the world looks like through his eyes! One minute, “VH is a team all the way.” To “This is about ME man, not your fucking hip.” Not really same context buttons point is they both have inssues. They survive, what 3 tours together with Ed saying publically “Dave does not want to be my friend.” Dave said nothing in response to this that I am aware of, yet the show went on.

    Very strange dynamics.
    To me this is not strange and TOTALLY makes sense through the lens of DLR. I was grateful for the Sammy years and enjoyed them at the time but love the DLR years. Whilst I was Ed centric, Ive always loved Daves role in VH. Dave is not a GREAT singer. He is a good showman but for mine his real value to VH was always in two main areas. Lyrics & business acumen/marketing and I feel that is what propelled VH from the clubs to greatness (obviously along with Eds chops and Daves swagger). Those two quotes jar when taken literally but when taken in Daves context, they make sense. Everything is about the band. The whole "Tonight is about me, not your hip" thing I feel was always totally misunderstood. For Dave, everything is another show and an opportunity and THAT MOMENT, after so long, at the MTV awards in front of so many fans was a gold plated opportunity to seal the deal. I dont believe that Dave is actually saying there that its "about me" but more the obvious "Its about me.....being here......with you.....after so long.....after so many people have wanted it......with so many people watching willing to monetize it....lets not talk about what could stop this." And of course he was 100% right in that context. He of course couldnt know at the time that it was already buried with Gary ready in the wings.

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