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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-32233571

    Being overweight 'reduces dementia risk'

    By James Gallagher
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    10 April 2015

    Those who were overweight had an 18% reduction in dementia, researchers found.
    Being overweight cuts the risk of dementia, according to the largest and most precise investigation into the relationship.
    The researchers admit they were surprised by the findings, which run contrary to current health advice.
    The analysis of nearly two million British people, in the Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology, showed underweight people had the highest risk.
    Dementia charities still advised not smoking, exercise and a balanced diet.

    Dementia is one of the most pressing modern health issues. The number of patients globally is expected to treble to 135 million by 2050.
    There is no cure or treatment, and the mainstay of advice has been to reduce risk by maintaining a healthy lifestyle. Yet it might be misguided.

    The team at Oxon Epidemiology and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine analysed medical records from 1,958,191 people aged 55, on average, for up to two decades.
    Their most conservative analysis showed underweight people had a 39% greater risk of dementia compared with being a healthy weight.
    But those who were overweight had an 18% reduction in dementia - and the figure was 24% for the obese.
    "Yes, it is a surprise," said lead researcher Dr Nawab Qizilbash.
    He told the BBC News website: "The controversial side is the observation that overweight and obese people have a lower risk of dementia than people with a normal, healthy body mass index.
    "That's contrary to most if not all studies that have been done, but if you collect them all together our study overwhelms them in terms of size and precision."

    Any explanation for the protective effect is distinctly lacking. There are some ideas that vitamin D and E deficiencies contribute to dementia and they may be less common in those eating more.
    But Dr Qizilbash said the findings were not an excuse to pile on the pounds or binge on Easter eggs.
    "You can't walk away and think it's OK to be overweight or obese. Even if there is a protective effect, you may not live long enough to get the benefits," he added.
    Heart disease, stroke, diabetes, some cancers and other diseases are all linked to a bigger waistline.

    These findings have come as a surprise, not least for the researchers themselves.
    But the research leaves many questions unanswered.
    Is fat actually protective or is something else going on that could be harnessed as a treatment? Can other research groups produce the same findings?
    Clearly there is a need for further research, but what should people do in the meantime?

    These results do not seem to be an excuse to eye up an evening on the couch with an extra slice of cake.
    The Alzheimer's Society and Alzheimer's Research UK have both come out and encouraged people to exercise, stop smoking and have a balanced diet.

    Dr Simon Ridley, of Alzheimer's Research UK, said: "These new findings are interesting as they appear to contradict previous studies linking obesity to dementia risk.
    "The results raise questions about the links between weight and dementia risk. Clearly, further research is needed to understand this fully."
    The Alzheimer's Society said the "mixed picture highlights the difficulty of conducting studies into the complex lifestyle risk factors for dementia".
    Prof Deborah Gustafson, of SUNY Downstate Medical Center in New York, argued: "To understand the association between body mass index and late-onset dementia should sober us as to the complexity of identifying risk and protective factors for dementia.
    "The report by Qizilbash and colleagues is not the final word on this controversial topic."
    Dr Qizilbash said: "We would agree with that entirely."
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    I read the title and just assumed it was another reaction to Sammy's comments about the VH album.
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    Well, if the findings of this research are to be believed, Sam is less likely to be demented than Dave...
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    Could be why Dave forgot the words at the US Festival? All these years I thought it was the booze. Sad. :|
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    OK, guys - back on topic before yet another thread descends into chaos and gets closed...Please?!?
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    my first thought to "those who were overweight had an 18% reduction in dementia, researchers found" was dementia comes later in life and fat are 18% less likely to be alive at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    my first thought to "those who were overweight had an 18% reduction in dementia, researchers found" was dementia comes later in life and fat are 18% less likely to be alive at that point.
    You'd think that, wouldn't you? But the research clearly shows that they were examining people who very very much alive two decades on from commencing the study, so...

    Also, it was only 18% less risk for those who were "overweight". If you're "obese", you are 39% less likely to develop dementia than someone who is underweight!

    I suppose all of this goes to show that having a low BMI can be just as problematic (albeit in different ways) than having a high one.
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    Apparently , I work with many , many people will NOT be suffering from dementia ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dibblekins View Post
    OK, guys - back on topic before yet another thread descends into chaos and gets closed...Please?!?
    I am hoping medical science will have an astonishing break-through in neuroscience by the time our generation hits the 70's because I cannot think of a more stern punishment than Alzheimer's or dementia. What a terrible way to end life! That being said, I'll take a few extra pounds and a nice comfortable chair to read books in rather than being a thin, crazy old fuck that likes to walk down the street with no pants and his balls hanging to his knees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dibblekins View Post
    You'd think that, wouldn't you? But the research clearly shows that they were examining people who very very much alive two decades on from commencing the study, so...

    Also, it was only 18% less risk for those who were "overweight". If you're "obese", you are 39% less likely to develop dementia than someone who is underweight!

    I suppose all of this goes to show that having a low BMI can be just as problematic (albeit in different ways) than having a high one.
    Well I guess these means I'm less likely to lose my mind. Hold on a second, time to order a pizza

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Punch View Post
    I'll take...being a thin, crazy old fuck that likes to walk down the street with no pants and his balls hanging to his knees.
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    but fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, still, right?

    maybe it's not the lack of weight on the "skinny" people, maybe it's the way they get there - aspertame, saccharine, all of that other shit. Pasta should not be brown (or green, or orange - unless it's made so by the sauce!). And bacon - if you cut bacon out of your diet, that's just not right!

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    All jokes aside - bacon is in fact one of the WORST foods you can eat, health-wise. It's full of salt and saturated fat, and eating it increases your risk of diabetes, heart-disease, and various cancers. But, never mind, if you eat enough to become obese you will at least retain enough marbles to be aware of all the risks (that's if you haven't carked it first )!
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    You leave BACON out of this !!!!
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    Oh dear...I fear it's too late for Cabomiro...
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