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    The true voice of Van Halen.......

    ....is Edward Van Halens guitar playing. Always has been and always will be. Dave's vocals do not bother me.His voice has changed over the years...but that is not out of the ordinary.That's what happens to singers!! So everyone plop down a $20 on the new live cd and enjoy listening to the real voice of VH.
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    I'll get some backlash replies , yet I totally agree .
    EVH is why I'm a fan of the band , have been for 35 years , and will be until I drop . The other guys all had a cool role and were needed for the final recipe , but without EVH ? Nothing . Nadda . Zip . Zilch . Zero .

    That's also why I dig all of his side projects and guest spots , and don't own anything (hardly) by the other guys outside of VH .

    If Eddie is playing ... I'm buying .
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    I absolutely disagree. The true voice of Van Halen was the sum total of all it's parts..the members of the band. My favorite sum total was Dave, Ed, Alex and Mike. Eddie obviously is a big deal in terms of the sound, but so are the other members and this band would have not sounded the same without them. I will add that I think Eddie sounds like shit when he plays outside the band and jams with other people. I thought Eddie sucked on SNL, the Les Paul special, Steve Stevens kicked his ass at the NAMM (Kramer booth)1985 show, in general I thought his playing sucked at all special appearances when he played with somebody else. The only one that I thought was halfway decent was the gig in 1998 with Billy Sheehan on bass and Steve Lukather, whatever benefit that was. I thought Ed played like shit when he jammed with John Mellencamp, Sheryl Crow and Richie Sambora as well. I also heard the clip of when he jammed with Allan Holdsworth from the early 80's, it was embarrassing.

    Another guitar player that shares this trait of playing great in their own band but sucking balls outside of it is Nuno Bettencourt. He's another guy that falls apart when he jams with people on stage. I watch him jam with other people and I'm thinking... did he all of a sudden lose all of his chops and musical sense?

    Some players can jam with other people and adapt and improvise really well....Eddie isn't one of them. The flip side is some players can only jam really well and play with anybody but can't write a song...i.e. Guthrie Goven.


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    If the VH bros had hooked up with a totally generic singer like Mitch Malloy instead of DLR at the beginning, they wouldn't be considered arguably the greatest American rock band in history. Instead of being compared to Led Zeppelin, they'd be the band that sounds like Foreigner with a much better guitarist.

    The original lineup brought out the best in each other, and each component (the riffs, the melodies, the phrasing, the bass lines, the vocal harmonies, the boxy snare, etc) resulted in what in my opinion, is the only version of the band that is, or would have been, timeless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinners__swing View Post
    I absolutely disagree. The true voice of Van Halen was the sum total of all it's parts..the members of the band. My favorite sum total was Dave, Ed, Alex and Mike. Eddie obviously is a big deal in terms of the sound, but so are the other members and this band would have not sounded the same without them. I will add that I think Eddie sounds like shit when he plays outside the band and jams with other people. I thought Eddie sucked on SNL, the Les Paul special, Steve Stevens kicked his ass at the NAMM (Kramer booth)1985 show, in general I thought his playing sucked at all special appearances when he played with somebody else. The only one that I thought was halfway decent was the gig in 1998 with Billy Sheehan on bass and Steve Lukather, whatever benefit that was. I thought Ed played like shit when he jammed with John Mellencamp, Sheryl Crow and Richie Sambora as well. I also heard the clip of when he jammed with Allan Holdsworth from the early 80's, it was embarrassing.

    Another guitar player that shares this trait of playing great in their own band but sucking balls outside of it is Nuno Bettencourt. He's another guy that falls apart when he jams with people on stage. I watch him jam with other people and I'm thinking... did he all of a sudden lose all of his chops and musical sense?

    Some players can jam with other people and adapt and improvise really well....Eddie isn't one of them. The flip side is some players can only jam really well and play with anybody but can't write a song...i.e. Guthrie Goven.
    You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but you are DEAD WRONG!!

    Ed smoked on SNL, if you are referring to Stompin 8H. He tore it up at the Les Paul show with that modified Hot for Teacher. The back-up band didn't sound all that great because Jan Hammer was playing a digital watch, but Ed ripped it. Ed DID get burned a bit by Steve Stevens, but the Mellencamp gig was not bad. He got a huge ovation in the middle of the song after a solo, and he sounded great on a couple of tunes.

    I DO agree with you about the whole band, but come on. SNL? That was an awesome performance. When he kicks off that echo and starts ripping off those thirds. Holy shit. Open your ears, man!

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    Most bands are better than the sum of their parts.

    Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, the list goes on and on in which the players together were much better together than on their own. Most artists have bad habits or indulgences that are limited in a band setting. Look at The Beatles: Lennon's politics, McCartney's romanticism, Harrison's mysticism, were all held in check in the band environment, but once out on their own, they were allowed to indulge in those preferences, to their own detriment in terms of their art.
    Taylor Swift is nice to look at. Adele can sing.

    Emperor Brett - "I can't believe you guys are analyzing song-by-song Van Halen III? What next, analyzing the script of Stroker Ace looking for some shred of Citizen Kane?"

    David Lee Roth did the impossible. He made Van Halen better. Deal with it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickslide View Post
    You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but you are DEAD WRONG!!

    Ed smoked on SNL, if you are referring to Stompin 8H. He tore it up at the Les Paul show with that modified Hot for Teacher. The back-up band didn't sound all that great because Jan Hammer was playing a digital watch, but Ed ripped it. Ed DID get burned a bit by Steve Stevens, but the Mellencamp gig was not bad. He got a huge ovation in the middle of the song after a solo, and he sounded great on a couple of tunes.

    I DO agree with you about the whole band, but come on. SNL? That was an awesome performance. When he kicks off that echo and starts ripping off those thirds. Holy shit. Open your ears, man!

    TK
    Put simply, Ed played the same old shit in all of the gigs you've mentioned. Granted, it's his shit that he came up with, but he doesn't improvise well at all and he repeats himself a lot. He's an innovator for sure, but he stays inside the box he created...but I give him points for creating the box he stays in. I remember seeing the SNL deal on T.V. back in the day, first thing I thought..."same old shit".

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinners__swing View Post
    Put simply, Ed played the same old shit in all of the gigs you've mentioned. Granted, it's his shit that he came up with, but he doesn't improvise well at all and he repeats himself a lot. He's an innovator for sure, but he stays inside the box he created...but I give him points for creating the box he stays in. I remember seeing the SNL deal on T.V. back in the day, first thing I thought..."same old shit".
    Those 'same old things' are just Eddie's signature vocabulary on the guitar . His playing trademarks and nuances , if you will . No different than hearing Page/Clapton/Stevie Ray /insert anyone else , play clichéd blues licks within a familiar 'box' or 'pattern' . We've heard those a gazillion times also ...

    Ed did some cool inprov at the Les Paul tribute show IMO . Yeah , the sound and style were known as his , but a few of those specific licks weren't just carbon copies of other solos . Again IMO .

    The Stompin' 8H gig is one of my all time favorites by Eddie . He did some different stuff there too , but all within the parameters of His style . That's what he's known for , and that's what fans and other artists want to hear/expect when Ed jams with outside musicians .
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    Quote Originally Posted by pickslide View Post
    You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but you are DEAD WRONG!!

    Ed smoked on SNL, if you are referring to Stompin 8H. He tore it up at the Les Paul show with that modified Hot for Teacher. The back-up band didn't sound all that great because Jan Hammer was playing a digital watch, but Ed ripped it. Ed DID get burned a bit by Steve Stevens, but the Mellencamp gig was not bad. He got a huge ovation in the middle of the song after a solo, and he sounded great on a couple of tunes.

    I DO agree with you about the whole band, but come on. SNL? That was an awesome performance. When he kicks off that echo and starts ripping off those thirds. Holy shit. Open your ears, man!

    TK
    i agree with you. Van Halen with Ed, Dave, Mike and Al are once in a life time. they are magic. can't duplicate that. but Ed on SNL was really good in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinners__swing View Post
    Put simply, Ed played the same old shit in all of the gigs you've mentioned. Granted, it's his shit that he came up with, but he doesn't improvise well at all and he repeats himself a lot. He's an innovator for sure, but he stays inside the box he created...but I give him points for creating the box he stays in. I remember seeing the SNL deal on T.V. back in the day, first thing I thought..."same old shit".
    I thought he was good on SNL, but there are definitely times when he hasn't blown me away when playing outside the confines of VH. Honestly, the guy has been playing with Al his entire life. Improvisation is to some degree a learned skill. Hendrix started out playing with a variety of other musicians in various styles where the focus wasn't on him strictly a soloist, and it honed his ability to improvise. Same with Clapton. I just don't think that EVH has done very much of that kind of playing so he often falls back on what he does best in VH. Sometimes it's amazing and other times it sounds a bit lazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinners__swing View Post
    Put simply, Ed played the same old shit in all of the gigs you've mentioned. Granted, it's his shit that he came up with, but he doesn't improvise well at all and he repeats himself a lot. He's an innovator for sure, but he stays inside the box he created...but I give him points for creating the box he stays in. I remember seeing the SNL deal on T.V. back in the day, first thing I thought..."same old shit".
    You're crazy. Seek help immediately. And you also don't know what "shit" means, so please buy a dictionary.

    I'm just kidding, man, to each his own. He does repeat himself quite a bit when improvising. But he KILLED it on SNL. Seriously, it's not even debatable. The others, I'll give you a pass because you're obviously jaded and grumpy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickslide View Post
    You're crazy. Seek help immediately. And you also don't know what "shit" means, so please buy a dictionary.

    I'm just kidding, man, to each his own. He does repeat himself quite a bit when improvising. But he KILLED it on SNL. Seriously, it's not even debatable. The others, I'll give you a pass because you're obviously jaded and grumpy...

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    To each his own, exactly. To me he makes it very obvious he's stringing his licks together when he's "improvising", so I don't really consider it pure improvising. Every player will have their catalog of licks that they string together at one point in a jam, the really good improvisers will really improvise and make stuff up on the spot about 30% of the time. Some modern but not necessarily spring chicken players who I think are very good at this is Andy Timmons, Carl Verheyen (you're thinking who? Look him up), Guthrie Govan, and others. Now with Guthrie I appreciate the pure technical prowess he has but I can only take it in small doses. He is a very diverse player though.

    I am a bit jaded on Eddie but all bullshit aside, I thought he was repeating himself too often by the late 80's. He changed it up a little during FUCK and Balance. As for anything after that, as I mentioned in a previous post, I threw the towel in with VHIII. He played well on that album, I just couldn't stand the album.

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    I don't care who is singing to me it's the music that makes VH.
    You just have to watch the latest video from Ed to see this.

    I would like to see a Tour with Sammy those era songs need to be heard again with the way Ed is playing now..
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    yikes, stompin 8h is probably in my top 10 EVH stuff ever. That Les Paul thing is up there too. I do agree ed falls back on a lot of the same licks tho. that descending hammering thing that ends up going down the A string then bends and hammer on the octave A he does ALL the time

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    That's also why I dig all of his side projects and guest spots , and don't own anything (hardly) by the other guys outside of VH .
    kind of the same here, except I do really like Dave's first 2 solo albums and a few tracks on Lil Ain't Enough but aside from that I don't have much outside vh interest. Never heard a single sammy solo album, or either chicken foot album. Not a sam hater or anything, just doesn't appeal

 

 

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