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    Default New Ray Danniels Interview: he discusses the Van Halen drama!

    Just what the doctored ordered, to have a little break from the "Dave can't sing" discussion:

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    While managing other acts, you have worked with other labels in the United States. Did you learn anything from them that was helpful to you?

    Well, you have to keep in mind that the big one was Van Halen. Van Halen was one of the few L.A.-based bands that was actually from there. A lot of people who were at Warner Brothers had grown up with them being the big band. It had been the Doors, who were perceived as an L.A. band through to Van Halen. Everybody felt connected with them. It was one of two of the biggest acts on the label and in comes this guy parachuted from Canada.

    Weren’t you asked a decade earlier to manage Van Halen? Also If Alex Van Halen wasn't sure about some deal, he would call you for advice.

    I had been asked, yes. I had helped Alex with certain things. Given him bits of advice when asked. I was very respectful of Ed Leffler, who was a very, very good manager.

    [Ed Leffler guided the careers of Van Halen, and the Carpenters. He also worked with the Osmonds, the Sweet, Petula Clark, Juice Newton, and Sammy Hagar. He passed away with thyroid cancer in 1993 at the age of 57.]

    Why did you finally agree to manage Van Halen?

    My kids weren’t young anymore. Al was straight. It just seemed like a much better time.

    And it became a difficult time?

    It was a difficult situation between everything. They (Van Halen members) are very different guys than the Rush guys. The geography wasn’t easy; the going back-and-forth. It took me a long time to adjust. At Warner Brothers, it took them waiting me out to just believe that I wasn’t just going to go away.

    Warner Brothers had a vibey, creative environment, but also an insider’s “We don’t cotton to strangers” attitude.

    There was definitely that. The Van Halen relationship with them was somewhat strained. It was not a perfect situation to go into. I wasn’t in their inner circle. I wasn’t from L.A., I was from Canada. If I was from Connecticut, it might have been the same thing. Everything magnified it (the rift). And I followed a pretty combative manager with Ed, who had arguably been the first really professional manager that the band had had. Ed was what he was. Ed was not usually intimated from what I could tell.

    And Warners was a label that didn’t care for intimidation by management or artists.

    Correct. My connection there was really (chairman/CEO) Russ Thryet and David Altschul (VP business and legal affairs). I liked both of them a lot.

    What label was Extreme with?

    Extreme was with A&M, and with (CEO) Al Cafaro. Al was great. Loved Al. It’s unfortunate that Al kinda got pushed out of the business for trying to do some of the right things at the time. So Extreme was with A&M, but I got Extreme after “More Than Words.” After they managed to sell more than 5 million records based on one song to 4 million people who didn’t like any of the other songs. I am being generous. It was probably 4 ˝ million.

    You were at the helm when Van Halen recruited ex-Extreme singer Gary Cherone for its 11th album, “Van Halen III,” and the subsequent tour.

    I was credited with that. The great audition to be in Van Halen consisted of two people because Eddie didn’t really want to go to that many people. He anointed Gary, and the rest is history.

    Who was the other contender?

    It was Mitch Malloy, who was a pretty good looking country kid who had just gone from rock to country, and was trying to find his place. He might have been a good choice as well.

    In interviews, Sammy Hagar seemed to sing your praises early on, but in his autobiography with Joel Selvin “Red: My Uncensored Life in Rock,” you take a pounding. You two didn’t get along?

    No, and I really can’t go there, Larry. The best thing I can say is that anything that Sammy Hagar said about me when I was no longer involved, it sure didn’t become functional with them. So I wasn’t the problem. I think that there were certain things that were fabrications in his mind.
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    He got Extreme after their big hit and then ran them into the ground...Great track record this guy has.
    "The less I needed, the better I felt." ~ Charles Bukowski.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ View Post
    He got Extreme after their big hit and then ran them into the ground...Great track record this guy has.
    I think they kind of did that to themselves, that band blows.
    Sam was right about Extreme, they're losers.
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    Er, what?
    This guy has a great record, he basically built Rush all by himself!
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    They only make great records, put on great shows and are uber talented.

    Yep, losers.
    Taylor Swift is nice to look at. Adele can sing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Er, what?
    This guy has a great record, he basically built Rush all by himself!
    Huh. No shit.

    Rush is such a great band. Would they have made it without him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Er, what?
    This guy has a great record, he basically built Rush all by himself!
    Rush was the perfect band for him to manage (or anyone). They get along, they aren't interested in Top 40 or magazine covers, they just want to record and go out on tour and otherwise live normal lives.

    He went from managing three nice, NORMAL guys, to managing a group of alcoholic, drug addled egomaniacs. He wasn't the right guy.
    Taylor Swift is nice to look at. Adele can sing.

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    When he says "I wasn't the problem" - I think that time has proven he's right. VH certainly didn't need him to fuck up their career, they could do that all by themselves, thank you very much!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Danniels View Post
    In interviews, Sammy Hagar seemed to sing your praises early on, but in his autobiography with Joel Selvin “Red: My Uncensored Life in Rock,” you take a pounding. You two didn’t get along?

    No, and I really can’t go there, Larry. The best thing I can say is that anything that Sammy Hagar said about me when I was no longer involved, it sure didn’t become functional with them. So I wasn’t the problem. I think that there were certain things that were fabrications in his mind.
    I'm not sure I understand the underlined sentence above.

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    I find it hard to believe he wasn't the problem at all. No way he is innocent IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fontcow View Post
    I'm not sure I understand the underlined sentence above.
    It's either poorly worded or poorly transcribed but I think the essence of it is "The dysfunction didn't go away after I was gone so it wasn't me". But maybe someone else has a different take.

    Even though everyone knows I'm a huge Rush fan I'm really pretty neutral on Ray. I just don't have much of an opinion of him one way or the other. I credit about 98% of the band's success on the three members themselves. They basically run everything, are very smart, and are very responsible and mature. Must be the easiest band in the world to manage. But what I can say is that Ray has been gone for an awfully long time and Van Halen continues to operate like absolute amateurs in every way so..... whatever.
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    He's basically saying "don't blame me, it didn't get any better once I was gone."
    Taylor Swift is nice to look at. Adele can sing.

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    But Brett, it would've happen without him as well. What we can say is that he didn't manage to prevent the self-destruction of Van Halen. He was missing some major McGyver skills to defuse the ticking bomb. He didn't create the problems, though. EVH was ready to hire friggin Mitch Malloy, for chrissakes!!! There was something seriously wrong with these guys around 1996 onwards.
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