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    What part of Van Halen's success is due to the original Warner Brothers publicity machine and which part is actually due to the music? Is Van Halen that much better than some of the other guitar based bands of that era? As time passes I really don't know. I mean Ed is really good but that much better than all the rest? But they were the MTV band at the beginning, at the prime of the start of videos, with a huge and powerful record label behind them with a massive P.R. push. It seems Van Halen is much less now with out some one pushing their music and making them work and focus. It seems Ed needs someone like Dave or Sammy or the record label to push him into work mode and get the music out. I just don't understand how they keep getting away with doing nothing for the fans...... Or is just that they are retired and don't admit it? It just seems like a waste of huge amount of talent, that seemed at one point, to be so much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHI-TOWN FAN2 View Post
    What part of Van Halen's success is due to the original Warner Brothers publicity machine and which part is actually due to the music? Is Van Halen that much better than some of the other guitar based bands of that era? As time passes I really don't know. I mean Ed is really good but that much better than all the rest? But they were the MTV band at the beginning, at the prime of the start of videos, with a huge and powerful record label behind them with a massive P.R. push. It seems Van Halen is much less now with out some one pushing their music and making them work and focus. It seems Ed needs someone like Dave or Sammy or the record label to push him into work mode and get the music out. I just don't understand how they keep getting away with doing nothing for the fans...... Or is just that they are retired and don't admit it? It just seems like a waste of huge amount of talent, that seemed at one point, to be so much better.
    Dude, I prescribe to you that you go put on the six pack, in order and crank them. You seem to have a fever. Seriously though, from songwriting to flash to chops and most importantly HEART, they were just that good. Lightning in a bottle. They also worked very hard to get where they got in those early days. They had a very large regional following before WB signed them. It would have happened regardless. But we'll never really know I suppose.

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    How is this even a question?

    Not only was Edward like an atomic bomb, completely obliterating all other 70's
    guitarists with not only technique, but a whole new vocabulary and TONE (Tone is huge
    in the equation).

    Add to that, the guy could write songs.

    Toss in the Golden God frontman, with actual wit & charisma by the truckloads, who
    not only commanded the stage, but infused each album with an entirely new level
    of badass (in a good way).

    Again, the guy could write.

    Then you toss in a steamrolling rhythm section, especially Alex, and those golden
    throated harmonies.

    This wasn't Quiet Riot, baby, this was next level hard rock.
    This was the fucking future.

    You had Zeppelin, you had Aerosmith, then Van Halen just swooped in and
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHI-TOWN FAN2 View Post
    What part of Van Halen's success is due to the original Warner Brothers publicity machine and which part is actually due to the music? Is Van Halen that much better than some of the other guitar based bands of that era? As time passes I really don't know. I mean Ed is really good but that much better than all the rest? But they were the MTV band at the beginning, at the prime of the start of videos, with a huge and powerful record label behind them with a massive P.R. push. It seems Van Halen is much less now with out some one pushing their music and making them work and focus. It seems Ed needs someone like Dave or Sammy or the record label to push him into work mode and get the music out. I just don't understand how they keep getting away with doing nothing for the fans...... Or is just that they are retired and don't admit it? It just seems like a waste of huge amount of talent, that seemed at one point, to be so much better.
    I can't imagine you were around back then if you have to ask this question. They predated MTV by many years with no real presence until 1984 and they were legendary to all who know of them in their small circle before they were introduced and became legendary to a larger circle. They did not need an image machine as they were the machine that created an image that record labels would later try to imitate.
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    Great answers and all, but why is anyone even answering this question?

    And how are Van Halen any better than Poison?
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    agree with the OP. Van Halen were really no better than bands like April Wine, Nazareth and Foghat. It was the warner bros PR machine that got them noticed. They somehow winged it for a few albums, until superior acts like Ugly Kid Joe and Warrant came along and it quickly became a case of "Van Who?"

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    I guess I should have been a huge Bon Jovi fan, since they had a record company with a PR department. Since I am not, I can only assume that my musical tastes are not determined by the number of times I see a lame ad for a record in a music magazine.

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    VH's formula for success:

    DLR, SH - Great Frontmen
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    Quote Originally Posted by fat worm View Post
    agree with the OP. Van Halen were really no better than bands like April Wine, Nazareth and Foghat. It was the warner bros PR machine that got them noticed. They somehow winged it for a few albums, until superior acts like Ugly Kid Joe and Warrant came along and it quickly became a case of "Van Who?"
    I wasn't going to post in this "roll-your-eyes" thread until I saw this post. I must have missed something. This is an attempt at a joke, right? Yeah, of course it is. There's no way that was a serious statement.

    One thing I'll add is that VH's success, to me, starts with Eddie Van Halen. Yes, the sum of the parts is fantastic. But when I first started listening to VH in those early years, it was all about the guitar and what new guitar-innovation came with each album. The Warner Bros. PR machine may have helped get them noticed, but I think Eddie was the golden ticket that got everyone's attention--including Gene Simmons and the Warner Bros. PR machine.
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    That was about the most perposterous combination of drivel I have EVER read

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    Wow, we need an album and tour ASAP.

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    The flat out ignorance in this thread even makes me shake my head in bewilderment.

    Bravo all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by japeape View Post
    How is this even a question?

    Not only was Edward like an atomic bomb, completely obliterating all other 70's
    guitarists with not only technique, but a whole new vocabulary and TONE (Tone is huge
    in the equation).

    Add to that, the guy could write songs.

    Toss in the Golden God frontman, with actual wit & charisma by the truckloads, who
    not only commanded the stage, but infused each album with an entirely new level
    of badass (in a good way).

    Again, the guy could write.

    Then you toss in a steamrolling rhythm section, especially Alex, and those golden
    throated harmonies.

    This wasn't Quiet Riot, baby, this was next level hard rock.
    This was the fucking future.

    You had Zeppelin, you had Aerosmith, then Van Halen just swooped in and
    knocked everyone on their asses.
    As above, believe the hype. IMHO, Ed's contributions are on par with Hendrix. Dave owned the stage like a young Robert Plant. Zep had a slightly netter rhythm section but that is like comparing Babe Ruth to Joe Dimaggio.

    There were so few videos in 1977 that I didn't know what they looked like onstage until the Oakland Fair Warning stuff hit. VH wasn't an early adaptor to MTV and MTV wasn't a VH supporter until Beat It and 1984 (6 albums in).

    If anything, their legend is diminished by there un-MTV friendliness and lack of communication with fans.

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    A PR person cannot tell me what music to like. Ever. That is your answer.

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