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    The United Nation’s top climate change official Christiana Figueres announced this week that the group is actively working to "intentionally transform" the world's economic development model, a task she called the "most difficult" one the group has ever undertaken.

    "This is  probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history," UNFCCC Executive Secretary Figueres stated at a press conference in Brussels Tuesday.

    The "intentional" reordering of the global economy, she told reporters, "will not happen overnight" due to the "depth of the transformation":

    "This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution. That will not happen overnight and it will not happen at a single conference on climate change, be it COP 15, 21, 40 - you choose the number. It just does not occur like that. It is a process, because of the depth of the transformation."

    Figueres is optimistic that a new international treaty, the so-called "Lima draft"—which she hopes will be adopted at climate change conference in Paris at the end of the year—will be yet another step to the "transformation" of the world's economic model. The new treaty, she pointed out, was one of four parts of the process of economic reordering. UNRIC reports:

    In addition to the treaty, there are the current Climate Change actions from now and until 2020, the  financing packages and the so-called Intended National Determined Contributions (INDCs).  These are the actions that countries intend to take under a global agreement from 2020 and have to be publicly outlined before the start of the conference. It is expected that all major economies will deliver their plans in time: the US, China, and the European Union have already shown their cards.

    "We need to get to the maximum level of ambition of collective INDCs because what we are going to have to do all of the time is to close the gap between what science tells us where we have to be and where we actually are…." said Figueres. "But the point is will we be at the end destination? I would argue, yes."




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    Um, since most of the world knows you are all full of shit, no you are not. Next...
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    i think their intentions are good but I find little reason to believe that much will get done. It's easy for nations to say they'll drop their pollution numbers in 10 years but they rarely keep to them.

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    I could be wrong, but I think what they are implying is that they want to change the current model of economic expansion wherein the developing countries use cheap (and dirty or otherwise ecologically costly) technology to expand their wealth until they can afford to use cleaner technologies. See China as a prime example.

    The trouble is that there are far more people living in underdeveloped areas of the world than those of us in the West that have already crested that hill. The idea of a few billion people relying coal, lumber, and other finite resources to better their standard of living is a bit daunting.

    However, it also screams of hypocrisy to have those of us in the West sit comfortably in our air conditioned and heated homes crying about the dangerous pollution in third world countries.

    If they can find a scenario that allows these areas to become developed using new technology that will be as available to them--and as cost effective--as using those existing natural resources, then everyone would win. However, it's just not possible to have any modern energy technology to be as cheap as digging coal out of the earth or cutting down some trees and setting them on fire.

    I wish them luck.

    But since it's not possible, we're essentially putting a tax on development in the third world--the same development we already went through and now enjoy the fruits of that process. We're keeping the poor people down so we can live comfortably.
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    It's pretty clear population growth will have to be limited in the future, and the freedom to have "as many kids as you want" will soon be a thing of the past, if we want the human race to survive on this planet. India can NOT sustain 2 billion people on its territory like it's now projected, Nigeria cannot have 500 million, etc. Even plans to have 50 million ppl live here in California (instead of the current 35) are total craziness!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    I could be wrong, but I think what they are implying is that they want to change the current model of economic expansion wherein the developing countries use cheap (and dirty or otherwise ecologically costly) technology to expand their wealth until they can afford to use cleaner technologies. See China as a prime example.

    The trouble is that there are far more people living in underdeveloped areas of the world than those of us in the West that have already crested that hill. The idea of a few billion people relying coal, lumber, and other finite resources to better their standard of living is a bit daunting.

    However, it also screams of hypocrisy to have those of us in the West sit comfortably in our air conditioned and heated homes crying about the dangerous pollution in third world countries.

    If they can find a scenario that allows these areas to become developed using new technology that will be as available to them--and as cost effective--as using those existing natural resources, then everyone would win. However, it's just not possible to have any modern energy technology to be as cheap as digging coal out of the earth or cutting down some trees and setting them on fire.

    I wish them luck.

    But since it's not possible, we're essentially putting a tax on development in the third world--the same development we already went through and now enjoy the fruits of that process. We're keeping the poor people down so we can live comfortably.
    It's actually morally wrong to do what they are doing. Ignored in all this is the Kulznet's curve.

    Pollution often appears first to worsen and later to improve as countries’ incomes grow. Because of its resemblance to the pattern of inequality and income described by Simon Kuznets, this pattern of pollution and income has been labelled an ‘environmental Kuznets curve’. While many pollutants exhibit this pattern, peak pollution levels occur at different income levels for different pollutants, countries and time periods. This link between income and pollution cannot be interpreted causally, and is consistent with either efficient or inefficient growth paths. The evidence does, however, refute the claim that environmental degradation is an inevitable consequence of economic growth.

    http://faculty.georgetown.edu/aml6/p...algraveEKC.pdf

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    It's pretty clear population growth will have to be limited in the future, and the freedom to have "as many kids as you want" will soon be a thing of the past, if we want the human race to survive on this planet. India can NOT sustain 2 billion people on its territory like it's now projected, Nigeria cannot have 500 million, etc. Even plans to have 50 million ppl live here in California (instead of the current 35) are total craziness!
    We've been saying things like that since the 60s and all the predictions of doom never came true. The book The Population Bomb was a big seller and Paul Ehrlich was convinced the world would be doomed by the 1980s. We were never supposed to be able to support as many people as today according to him. He was wrong of course...human ingenuity is never factored into these doom predictions.

    If India cannot sustain 2 billion people...then it won't happen. So no problem.

    Birth rates have been falling for decades and at the current rate, population will level off mid century and even decline after that.

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