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    Default Doctor *cough* Rand Paul is an anti-vaxer

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    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) argued Monday that debate over whether to allow parents more choice in the vaccination of their children was a matter of "freedom," citing personal knowledge of kids "who wound up with profound mental disorders" after receiving immunizations for diseases like Hepatitis B and measles.

    "I don't think there's anything extraordinary about resorting to freedom," the potential 2016 presidential candidate, who is a ophthalmologist, said in an interview with CNBC.

    "We sometimes give five or six vaccines all at one time," he said of immunizations of newborns for Hepatitis B. "I chose to have mine delayed....Do I think it's ultimately a good idea? Yeah. So I had mine staggered over several months. I've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking, normal children, who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines. I'm not arguing that vaccines are a bad idea, I think they're a good thing. But I think parents should have some input. The state doesn't own your children, parents own their children, and it is an issue of freedom. "
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    This is why people roll their eyes when you post. You act like a scorned teenager on Instagram.

    Your post is accurate, but why question whether he is a doctor or not? He graduated from Duke University School of Medicine. One of the TOP medical schools in the country, and you are going to say "Doctor *cough*". What, because he choose ophthalmology he isn't a real Doctor? Which school have you received your doctorate from, just so we can compare how your medical knowledge surpasses his. He has his own medical practice, how is yours doing?

    And, if you read the article, you would notice that he isn't an "anti-vaxer", he is for giving parents the right to choose whether their children get vaccinated or not.

    Can't you just discuss the article, without saying something like that? How old are you, five? Or is it just simple jealousy that he has accomplished more in his life than you will ever dream of?

    That being said, I disagree with him 100% about giving parents the choice on vaccinations, because it does not just affect their kids, it effects everyone else as well. Penn and Teller do a great bit on vaccinations that I will post below.

    However, he does bring up a good point about staggering the immunizations instead of giving them all at once, and many pediatricians (mine included) feel that that there is enough evidence to suggest it would be prudent to spread them out a little bit.

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    ugh.. have a little humor why don't ya. When you have such ridiculous people running for high office then you should mock this stuff. My reaction and response was absolutely appropriate given the senator's stupid comments. and I don't give a fuck if anyone rolls their eyes.

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    You act like a little child who didn't get a toy in their Happy Meal.

    You were not trying to be funny, that is disingenuous. You don't like him, so you twisted what he said in the title of your thread to fit your agenda, that simple. He is a doctor, and he isn't an anti-vaccination believer. He has an incorrect view in my opinion on parental rights, but that is why we have discussions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabby gabbster View Post
    ugh.. have a little humor why don't ya. When you have such ridiculous people running for high office then you should mock this stuff. My reaction and response was absolutely appropriate given the senator's stupid comments. and I don't give a fuck if anyone rolls their eyes.
    I don't agree with Rand Paul on a lot of things, but when you have a candidate openly calling for less government coercion, that is a refreshing change and is, in fact, LESS ridiculous than almost any senator who has served in my lifetime.

    Just as with his dad, people resort to ad hominem attacks and argue vociferously against positions he doesn't take. This reminds me of the time he questioned the constitutionality of the Civil Rights Act and everyone caterwauled and raked out their eyes. I didn't happen to agree with his point, and he later recanted, but God FORBID our senators should spend time thoughtfully debating the intent and scope of government...

    (not at you, in this case...)

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    Penn and Teller for President
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardv View Post
    Penn and Teller for President
    I like their videos a lot, and the Penn Point (I think that is what his little podcast YouTube show is called) is pretty good sometimes as well.

    In one of his videos he makes a great point about religion, that saying you don't agree with it's principles is not slander, as any religion is just a collection of ideas.
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    Penn is cool and he is a great example for Atheists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    You act like a little child who didn't get a toy in their Happy Meal.

    You were not trying to be funny, that is disingenuous. You don't like him, so you twisted what he said in the title of your thread to fit your agenda, that simple. He is a doctor, and he isn't an anti-vaccination believer. He has an incorrect view in my opinion on parental rights, but that is why we have discussions.
    He's an eye doctor and at the very least he is catering to the anti-vax crowd. The Alex Jones conspiracy theorists, the gold standard crowd, anti Fed crowd, all the really way out of left field crowd he provides a voice for in many instances. He uses this philosophical world view about government with everything and when you apply them to reality they always fall short. And I'm sorry I'm not as grown up as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    Penn is cool and he is a great example for Atheists.
    Well thought out opinions with actual facts in them. I don't always agree with him, but I respect him. And he has a patent on a "hydo therapeutic stimulator", no shit, how can you NOT like the guy? He's funny, and he is interested in helping women orgasm, what a guy.

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    what exactly did he say that was so controversial? he said he prefers vaccines to not be given all at once but rather stagger them over time. That's what we do up here - we stagger them over several years. I just assumed that was standard across the western world.

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    I'm not a doc but I did play one for years in the animal world. Staggering is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    what exactly did he say that was so controversial? he said he prefers vaccines to not be given all at once but rather stagger them over time. That's what we do up here - we stagger them over several years. I just assumed that was standard across the western world.
    Nothing, it's because he's a Republican. If he was a Democrat, the thread would have never even been started, and that is a guarantee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardv View Post
    I'm not a doc but I did play one for years in the animal world. Staggering is good.
    Wouldn't shock me if it came down to insurance, they might not want to pay for the number of visits to the doctor that it takes to stagger them out. Just a guess, have no idea if it accurate or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Wouldn't shock me if it came down to insurance, they might not want to pay for the number of visits to the doctor that it takes to stagger them out. Just a guess, have no idea if it accurate or not.
    but if that was the case they would just schedule them to happen at the kids annual checkup so it wouldn't be an extra visit.

 

 

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