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    By Bill Maher

    The Supreme Court’s decision to hear arguments on gay marriage was such big news you probably missed some of the other cases they decided to consider. Such as Walker v. Texas Division, Sons of Confederate Veterans. Like many states, Texas offers specialty license plates and the Texas branch of the Sons of Confederate Veterans sought to create a plate featuring their group’s logo and a Confederate flag. Texas denied the request after hundreds of complaints. The Supreme Court will decide whether specialty license plates are private speech or government speech. Thus begging the question: Again with the Confederate flag?

    When are these Confederate flag-hags going to give it up?

    If you’re a white guy, living in Texas, driving a pickup truck with a shotgun rack and a “Nobama” bumper sticker, isn’t the Confederate flag license plate a little redundant? We get it. You’re a redneck. I don’t know how we’re going to find moderate rebels in Syria when you can’t even find a moderate rebel here in America.

    Oh, wait. I found a moderate rebel: Robert E. Lee. General Lee – whose birthday was a week ago – was not a big fan of the Confederate flag. Writing for The Daily Beast, Jonathan Horn points out that, after surrendering the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia in April 1865, Lee took an oath to support the US Constitution and advised fellow former Confederates to follow suit. So take that, Dukes of Hazard.

    “Lee did not want such divisive symbols following him to the grave. At his funeral in 1870, flags were notably absent from the procession. Former Confederate soldiers marching did not don their old military uniforms, and neither did the body they buried… So sensitive was Lee during his final years with extinguishing the fiery passions of the Civil War that he opposed erecting monuments on the battlefields where the Southern soldiers under his command had fought against the Union. ‘I think it wiser moreover not to keep open the sores of war, but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavoured to obliterate the marks of civil strife and to commit to oblivion the feelings it engendered,’ he wrote.”

    If the Confederacy’s most famous general had washed his hands of the Stars and Bars why can’t the rest of them?

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    Get rid of all specialty plates.

    Problem solved.

    Yeah...yeah...I know.

    States need the cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    Get rid of all specialty plates.

    Problem solved.

    Yeah...yeah...I know.

    States need the cash.
    I enjoy the people who have specialty plates. The retarded ones with his or her name on it. Or variation of said names. Way to really blend in you dip shit! Out.
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    The flag is a part of history. Some associate it with slaveryand that's their ignorance. People see what they want to see.

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    The flag is a part of history. Some associate it with slaveryand that's their ignorance. People see what they want to see.
    Agree 100%. it's about perception. People can take offense to it....or can acknowledge it's historical significance. It has dark history associated with it, sure, but there have been other symbols that have been bastarized as well. The Iron Cross comes to mind.

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    Bill Maher can suck it and so can you Hot Sauce !!!
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    it's kind of rich for someone who's from New York and lives in LA and probably hasn't spent much time in the US South to preach about what that flag means. But Maher, for a liberal, seems to have a problem with a lot of different groups so painting them all as rednecks shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by we die young View Post
    Agree 100%. it's about perception. People can take offense to it....or can acknowledge it's historical significance. It has dark history associated with it, sure, but there have been other symbols that have been bastarized as well. The Iron Cross comes to mind.
    It certainly has historical significance, particularly more recent history, and therein lies the problem. People defend the so-called rebel flag and schools named after Klan leaders as historical, citing racist beliefs of Lincoln and others to justify it. But here's the recent history they leave out. Most southern states (excluding Mississippi, I think) actually CHANGED their flags in the 50s and 60s to protest integration, deliberately incorporating the "battle" flag of the southern states. And the common use of the rebel flag as a "white power" symbol gained more traction then.

    The message of the flag, in these cases is not "let's all appreciate our rich but troubled history." It is, quite literally, "****** go home!"

    I remember driving home to Georgia the week after Obama was elected only to see a noticeable increase in stars and bars along the highways in south Georgia. Not a coincidence. And no, NOT a call to consider our rich historical tradition.

    Maher is a sensationalist and a comedian and shouldn't be taken TOO seriously. But he has a point here...

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    It's a symbol of the south succeeding after an abolitionist president was elected because they thought slavery was an awesome thing. May as well just use this one, it's a little more honest...


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    HS you remind me of the soup nazi
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    The Civil War was fought over state rights. Slavery a part of that but not the defining part. Just like the issuing of the Emancipation was to prevent Britain and France from joining up wit with the South. It was part of the discussion but not the driving part.

    Anyway if the flag offends, then don't use your currency. George had slaves. Jefferson had slaves. Lincoln used the N word. Jackson put the Native Americans on death marches. FDR put Japanese Americans in internment camps. Maybe Ben was alright outside of some boozing and fucking. Alexander Hamilton was a prick and wanted to form his own country.

    its the South Heritage. Leave it alone.

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    The Civil War was absolutely about slavery. Now, Southern slave owners said that restrictions on slavery would violate the principle of "states' rights" and the revisionists would like you to believe it's a states issue, but the hard truth is that it was about owning another human.

    Alexander Stephens, the Confederacy's vice president, said the following in his famous Cornerstone speech in March 1861, just weeks before the war started:

    The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.
    Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."
    Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us...
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