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    Default The United States is in the midst of the worst drug addiction epidemic in its history

    The US consumes more than 80 percent of the global supply of opioids, and overdoses from prescription opioid drugs kill nearly 17,000 Americans every year, which is one overdose death every 30 minutes.

    As the painkiller epidemic has spread, drug company profits from opioids have soared. Over the last 10 years, revenues from opioid painkillers have more than doubled; in 2012 the figure was more than $9bn.

    And as the market has grown, so has the incentive to get more and more lucrative drugs approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

    Dr Andrew Kolodny is an addiction specialist who advocates for reform in opioid drug policy. He says: "They launched a marketing campaign and an educational campaign to convince the medical community that we had been underprescribing opioids. To convince us that we had been allowing patients to suffer needlessly because of what they called an overblown fear of addiction."

    In October 2013, the FDA approved a powerful new opioid painkiller called Zohydro over the objections of its own medical advisors and dozens of lawmakers.

    So why did the FDA approve Zohydro in the midst of the worst crisis of prescription drug addiction and overdoses in US history?

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    this certainly explains some recent election results.

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    Think about this too. Elected officials and most appointed officials in the states take no drug tests. Yet the cook at the nursing home and fast food server do.
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    People on government assistance don't get tested either but I have to be tested to work and pay the taxes that support them.
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    I have to take pain killers every day. Some days are better than others but between my back and recent issues its a necessity. Now I agree that they have been over prescribed but what I hate is when people find out you take them they treat you like a crack head. Like you want to be in constant pain and have to take this shit. I take Percocet every day. It sucks but it makes my life/job manageable.

    I went on step further than most folks to make sure I didn't develop a problem. My wife gives them to me.
    But yes. Prescription drugs by and large are a huge problem. Knowing about this stuff and seeing that they actually let that newest drug by is dumb. I know of several options as opposed to prescribing zohydro. That's just dumb.

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    Problem is that you can't have this conversation outside of the war on drugs, because when you crack down on legal, prescription drugs, people move to illicit drugs.

    Two years ago, we'd had "success" cracking down on prescription opioids. Prescription ODs dropped by 15%, but heroin overdoses rose by over 40% as users switched. Heroin is much more dangerous in its illicit form due to fluctuating potency and what it may be "cut" with. But cracking down on one sent people to the other. It also made heroin much cheaper on the black market than prescription drugs.

    We've seen this historically. Every time we crack down or try to come up with an "alternative" drug, something worse comes along.

    Because of the fear of morphine addiction, Bayer developed heroin in the late 19th century as a "non-addictive" alternative to morphine. In trying to come up with a "cure," we made something that's almost exactly the same.

    The development of meth occurred to fill the cocaine void. When we crack down on meth, things like bath salts come around.

    Spice, which has parents and others freaked out, was actually developed with funds from the National Institute on Drug Abuse. College researchers received funding to come up with a synthetic drugs that would "cure" us from getting high. Spice was a result of Clemson University Professor John W. Huffman using NIDA funds to do develop synthetic, non-addictive drugs. Somehow his work leaked, and people were making synthetic marijuana.

    So while addiction is a problem, we should keep in mind that every time we "crack down," something worse often happens.

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    What??? You mean we didn't win the "war on drugs???"
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Problem is that you can't have this conversation outside of the war on drugs, because when you crack down on legal, prescription drugs, people move to illicit drugs.

    Two years ago, we'd had "success" cracking down on prescription opioids. Prescription ODs dropped by 15%, but heroin overdoses rose by over 40% as users switched. Heroin is much more dangerous in its illicit form due to fluctuating potency and what it may be "cut" with. But cracking down on one sent people to the other. It also made heroin much cheaper on the black market than prescription drugs.

    We've seen this historically. Every time we crack down or try to come up with an "alternative" drug, something worse comes along.

    Because of the fear of morphine addiction, Bayer developed heroin in the late 19th century as a "non-addictive" alternative to morphine. In trying to come up with a "cure," we made something that's almost exactly the same.

    The development of meth occurred to fill the cocaine void. When we crack down on meth, things like bath salts come around.

    Spice, which has parents and others freaked out, was actually developed with funds from the National Institute on Drug Abuse. College researchers received funding to come up with a synthetic drugs that would "cure" us from getting high. Spice was a result of Clemson University Professor John W. Huffman using NIDA funds to do develop synthetic, non-addictive drugs. Somehow his work leaked, and people were making synthetic marijuana.

    So while addiction is a problem, we should keep in mind that every time we "crack down," something worse often happens.
    Sorry. Heroin has never entered my vernacular. There are drugs right now that a pain doc can prescribe that are stronger than heroin. dalaudid, fentanyl.

    If someone goes from a painkiller to heroin there's something else going on they ain't saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuddman5150 View Post
    Sorry. Heroin has never entered my vernacular. There are drugs right now that a pain doc can prescribe that are stronger than heroin. dalaudid, fentanyl.

    If someone goes from a painkiller to heroin there's something else going on they ain't saying.
    Good for you. Unfortunately, many people don't make that same choice.

    EDIT: that came out snarky. It wasn't meant that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Good for you. Unfortunately, many people don't make that same choice.

    EDIT: that came out snarky. It wasn't meant that way.
    I agree I am Recovering addict(6 years).
    I have had 5 back surgery's. At the end of my using days I was snorting 15-20 80 mg Oxycontin a day. When I started using them I would get the from Doctors and they sold on the street for $10.
    Towards the end they were going for $50.
    I switch to herion (sniffing not shooting) because it was cheaper.
    So there was No hidden agenda .
    Eventually your body builds a tolerance NO MATTER IF TAKE THEM AS DIRECTED OR ABUSE THEM.

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    even here in Goose Poop our police have taken to training officers in the use of narcan. People don't plan on becoming addicts. They have an injury or a chronic condition and their Doctor who only has 2 minutes to spend with them, writes a script. Hell, I knew someone who went from wisdom tooth extraction to drug addict in record time.

    My uncle died of bladder cancer. He was being treated by the VA and the amount of pain medication that they sent him was astounding. He would go into the hospital and his home medications would go unused. Then when he went home they sent him another box of fentanyl patches, Oxycodone, Vicodin...starting the scripts all over without asking what he still had at home
    I kept thinking that if anyone knew he had that stuff in his apartment they would knock him over the head to get it. When he passed away I went thru his meds. He had a stock pile of 90 fentanyl patches, probably 300 Vicodins, bottle after bottle of Oxycontin, morphine suppositories (!) Xanax, Percocets and Dilaudid. I called the VA about getting rid of them and they had no suggestions. So I called the local pharmacy and they had no suggestions. My truck driving cousin had a suggestion...he said I could make some "real bank" at any truck stop. So I called the sheriff and they told me that they had a drug turn in program scheduled in about 6 months. My only choice was to flush the drugs down the toilet.

    Not knowing what to do, lots of times people just leave those medications in their cabinet.....that's how the teenagers get a hold of them on the weekends when they want to blow off some steam..no one is going to miss some out of date unused pain meds from the back of the cabinet right?

    we use the lions share of pain medications here in the US, but we also tend to work injured, rush to get back to work as soon as we can get a doctor to sign off and we look at wellness based medical care as so much hooey

    we are reaping the rewards of a messed up medical system

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    Wow Daisy! That was like an awesome six episode mini series.

    Illegally, that stash could have kept the Links open for the rest of the decade.

    I'm frugal with aspirin/ibuprofen, don't even trust antibiotics... but you had a nice war chest for a rainy day and flushed it.

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    10K easy..

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    Wow Daisy! That was like an awesome six episode mini series.

    Illegally, that stash could have kept the Links open for the rest of the decade.

    I'm frugal with aspirin/ibuprofen, don't even trust antibiotics... but you had a nice war chest for a rainy day and flushed it.
    Hey I told you ..I was promised big bank at a truck stop...I was told I could probably get 25 bucks for one fentanyl patch and my uncle had boxes of the stuff. He said I could get $5-10 for each Vicodin as I recall. He told me there was probably 3-5 grand in street value. Shoeboxes filled with bottles and boxes.

    what still amazes me is that they just shipped this stuff to him thru the mail...boxes of it based upon the scripts written by VA docs who are just in a hurry to get the release paper work finished. No one asked if he needed the meds, they just assumed because bladder/bone cancer is painful. Ironically he declined most pain meds in the hospice which amazed the nurses,,,until we found out that on a daily basis his pain level was about a "7 or 8"....we finally convinced him to take the meds and not suffer. But it explained his stock pile too...he wasn't using the meds at home. He was terminally ill but scared to get addicted. how sad is that?

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    As has already been mentioned, the worst of all this is that the resultant crack-down on prescription pain-killers often adversely affects those people who really need them, for chronic pain conditions of varying types. I've just been sent home from major abdominal surgery with a small box of paracetamol (Tylenol, I think you call it in the US?) I'll manage - but it's not easy.
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