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    I am trying to improve my lackluster songwriting, and a term was used in one article that I read, and I don't understand it, and when I Google it, I really don't understand the answers either.

    So, for a complete amateur hack like me, can someone explain in terms I can understand "resolving the 7th to the tonic chord".

    I understand what the writer was talking about with the 7th and the tonic, but "resolving" to it just doesn't register.

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    I'm not too big on theory , so bear with me ...
    Resolving to the tonic means that whatever chords and/or 'outside' voicings are being used should lead back to the starting/main point - the tonic/main/root/key signature .

    It's like how some walking bass lines (for example) end up sounding nice or pleasant to the ears after they return to the root note . Like Eddie's old saying about falling down the stairs and landing on your feet .

    Hope I explained that right ... My $0.02 .
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    So if you use a D7 chord, and the song itself is in D Major, you should end the riff or the riff line with a D chord proper?
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    That's pretty much how I understand it , DD .
    Of course the choices are endless and also up to the writer's 'vision' ... haha

    As a general rule (and I use that term very lightly) , if a song uses a I-IV-V progression starting on a C , said song should also end on a C . Any chords using 6's or 7's etc. are used to add tension , and it's leading back to the root chord (tonic) which resolves that feeling .

    Again - I'm no expert , yet I hope you get the drift . Cheers
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    That makes sense with what I read, and that was what I thought, but I was playing Tin Cup Chalice by Jimmy Buffet, and he uses 7th's in the song, and he doesn't really always resolve them as I understood it, but like you said, the choices are endless and up to the writer's vision.
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    You know what, now I get it. The resolving doesn't have to be immediate, but when you want the tension released.

    I just listened to a song that uses sevenths, and the tension was kept up for a few bars and then released. I was thinking it was more of an immediate resolve, just dumb on my part. Now I really feel stupid.

    Thanks for clearing the fog.
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    No problem , man . I was just trying to help in some small way .
    I'm sure others could explain it more clearly in print , but it seems like you got the gist of what I was trying to say .
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    Quote Originally Posted by vhMcG View Post
    That's pretty much how I understand it , DD .
    Of course the choices are endless and also up to the writer's 'vision' ... haha

    As a general rule (and I use that term very lightly) , if a song uses a I-IV-V progression starting on a C , said song should also end on a C . Any chords using 6's or 7's etc. are used to add tension , and it's leading back to the root chord (tonic) which resolves that feeling .

    Again - I'm no expert , yet I hope you get the drift . Cheers
    That's a great way to word it. It does create a sense of tension that your ears yearn to hear a release for.

    7ths also can be a way to lead the ear to the next chord. Like how a B7 puts a big ole A note out there. It's tension on that chord...and if you hit an E next, that A note moves down one to Ab. It's like it pulled you into the E chord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    That makes sense with what I read, and that was what I thought, but I was playing Tin Cup Chalice by Jimmy Buffet, and he uses 7th's in the song, and he doesn't really always resolve them as I understood it, but like you said, the choices are endless and up to the writer's vision.
    Tin Cup Chalice is one of my favorite Buffett songs, btw.

 

 

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