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    Opening the door for what could be a lucrative and controversial new industry on some Native American reservations, the Justice Department on Thursday will tell U.S. attorneys to not prevent tribes from growing or selling marijuana on the sovereign lands, even in states that ban the practice..

    The new guidance, released in a memorandum, will be implemented on a case-by-case basis and tribes must still follow federal guidelines, said Timothy Purdon, the U.S. attorney for North Dakota and the chairman of the Attorney General's Subcommittee on Native American Issues.

    It remains to be seen how many reservations will take advantage of the policy. Many tribes are opposed to legalizing pot on their lands, and federal officials will continue to enforce the law in those areas, if requested.

    Southern California is home to nearly 30 federal- and state-recognized Indian tribes, with a total population of nearly 200,000, according to state estimates. The largest tribes operate profitable casinos and outlet malls, including those by the Morongo, Cabazon, San Manuel and Pechanga tribes.

    Representatives for several of the largest tribes could not be reached for comment.

    The policy comes on the heels of the 2013 Justice Department decision to stop most federal marijuana prosecutions in states that have legalized the possession or sale of pot. Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Alaska and the District of Columbia have all moved to legalize the drug, though the D.C. law may be scaled back by Congress.

    Some tribes see marijuana sales as a potential source of revenue, similar to cigarette sales and casino gambling, which have brought a financial boon to reservations across the country. Others, including the Yakama Reservation in Washington state, remain strongly opposed to the sale or use of marijuana on their lands.

    Purdon said in an interview that the majority of Native American tribes, mindful of the painful legacy of alcohol abuse in their communities, appear to be against allowing marijuana use on their territory.

    The federal government will continue to legally support those tribes that wish to ban marijuana, even in states that now permit its sale, Purdon said.

    But the Justice Department will generally not attempt to enforce federal marijuana laws on federally recognized tribes that choose to allow it, as long as they meet eight federal guidelines, including that marijuana not be sold to minors and not be transported to areas that prohibit it.

    "The tribes have the sovereign right to set the code on their reservations," Purdon said.

    John Walsh, the U.S. attorney for Colorado, said a primary purpose of the memorandum to be released Thursday is to assure U.S. attorney offices and tribes that despite the changes in Justice Department policy announced last year, federal prosecutors still have the authority to prosecute marijuana felonies on tribal lands.

    In many cases, federal prosecutors are the only ones permitted by law to prosecute marijuana felonies on tribal lands.

    Walsh said that the new memorandum, like the one issued for states last year, emphasizes that states or reservations must have "robust and effective regulatory systems in place" and that federal prosecutors reserve the right to take broader enforcement actions.

    The policy is likely to be criticized in states opposed to marijuana sales, particularly those with Native American reservations.

    Kevin A. Sabet, an opponent of marijuana legalization and former advisor on drug issues to President Obama, called the policy an "extremely troubling development."

    "It once again sends a message that we really don't care about federal drug laws," he said.

    Sabet, director of the Drug Policy Institute at the University of Florida, said, "Native Americans and their families suffer disproportionately from addiction compared to other groups. The last thing they want is another commercialized industry that targets them for greater use."


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    Tough call here, don't want to send a message to tribal folks that they can just do whatever the fuck they want and still enjoy the benefits of being in The United States of America, but on the other hand it is their sole and seperate property. I would say they can grow and use within their limits but the highways leading in and out the law of the land applies. The first pot shop on tribal lands should be named "The Peace Pipe" if they are smart
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    Not sure how I feel about this. On one hand I am very aware of the raw deal that Native Americans got and how it still reverberates today, and gets none of the attention that the black community gets or the latino community gets.

    on the other hand, to encourage the continued separation of the Native American nation from the laws of the US is a strange way to forge any kind of American identity for the Native Americans. They already have their own police, government, courts and adoption laws concerning native American children have caused some real and devastating issues, so I'm just not sure that another exemption from federal law is the right thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    Not sure how I feel about this. On one hand I am very aware of the raw deal that Native Americans got and how it still reverberates today, and gets none of the attention that the black community gets or the latino community gets.

    on the other hand, to encourage the continued separation of the Native American nation from the laws of the US is a strange way to forge any kind of American identity for the Native Americans. They already have their own police, government, courts and adoption laws concerning native American children have caused some real and devastating issues, so I'm just not sure that another exemption from federal law is the right thing.
    The simple and obvious solution to the entire issue of legalized marijuana is for the federal gov't to simply reschedule marijuana from the current level 1 Narcotic classification to the same level of alcohol and tobacco thereby allowing the states to simply regulate the drug the same as the aforementioned far more harmful substances as the individual states see fit.

    Obviously states are already bypassing the dysfunction that is Washington and moving ahead with ending complete prohibition anyway. Our current President should simply sign an executive order to reschedule and at the same time push for congressional legislation to make it permanent. The entire issue at the federal level is completely absurd and wrought with special interest manipulation that it's one more glaring example of how completely broken our federal government truly is.

    For instance, look at how whacked things are now that the District of Columbia (Washington, D. C.) has voted to legalize marijuana but the fed's who occupy the same city still maintain is should be illegal. How completely fucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chain View Post
    The simple and obvious solution to the entire issue of legalized marijuana is for the federal gov't to simply reschedule marijuana from the current level 1 Narcotic classification to the same level of alcohol and tobacco thereby allowing the states to simply regulate the drug the same as the aforementioned far more harmful substances as the individual states see fit.

    Obviously states are already bypassing the dysfunction that is Washington and moving ahead with ending complete prohibition anyway. Our current President should simply sign an executive order to reschedule and at the same time push for congressional legislation to make it permanent. The entire issue at the federal level is completely absurd and wrought with special interest manipulation that it's one more glaring example of how completely broken our federal government truly is.

    For instance, look at how whacked things are now that the District of Columbia (Washington, D. C.) has voted to legalize marijuana but the fed's who occupy the same city still maintain is should be illegal. How completely fucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Punch View Post
    Tough call here, don't want to send a message to tribal folks that they can just do whatever the fuck they want and still enjoy the benefits of being in The United States of America, but on the other hand it is their sole and seperate property. I would say they can grow and use within their limits but the highways leading in and out the law of the land applies. The first pot shop on tribal lands should be named "The Peace Pipe" if they are smart
    I don't know enough about Indigenous laws down there regarding land, so can't really.comment on that aspect much...but I can certainly speak to the pipe comment. I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but that comment is very offensive and made my jaw drop.

    It is not a "peace" pipe. The pipe is a sacred object that is used for prayer. Sacred tobacco is burned in the pipe and the smoke carries the words up to the Creator's ears. Almost all ceremonies, negotiations, etc. include a pipe ceremony to ask the Creator for success.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    Not sure how I feel about this. On one hand I am very aware of the raw deal that Native Americans got and how it still reverberates today, and gets none of the attention that the black community gets or the latino community gets.

    on the other hand, to encourage the continued separation of the Native American nation from the laws of the US is a strange way to forge any kind of American identity for the Native Americans. They already have their own police, government, courts and adoption laws concerning native American children have caused some real and devastating issues, so I'm just not sure that another exemption from federal law is the right thing.
    Who says they WANT to form an American identity, and why should they have to? Assimilation is a dirty word up here...for good reason. Government assimilation attempts to "beat the indian out of the child" at residential schools have resulted in generations of damaged individuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdnangel View Post

    Who says they WANT to form an American identity, and why should they have to? Assimilation is a dirty word up here...for good reason. Government assimilation attempts to "beat the indian out of the child" at residential schools have resulted in generations of damaged individuals.
    Well, it isn't a dirty word here. In fact, it is part of the reason that we have enjoyed much of the success we have as a country. For many years people who chose to immigrate here gladly assimilated. They wanted to be Americans. Today, most could care less because they come here to exploit our public benefits and talk about how we suck. Yes, I've seen, heard, and dealt with it and it is demoralizing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdnangel View Post
    I don't know enough about Indigenous laws down there regarding land, so can't really.comment on that aspect much...but I can certainly speak to the pipe comment. I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but that comment is very offensive and made my jaw drop.

    It is not a "peace" pipe. The pipe is a sacred object that is used for prayer. Sacred tobacco is burned in the pipe and the smoke carries the words up to the Creator's ears. Almost all ceremonies, negotiations, etc. include a pipe ceremony to ask the Creator for success.



    Who says they WANT to form an American identity, and why should they have to? Assimilation is a dirty word up here...for good reason. Government assimilation attempts to "beat the indian out of the child" at residential schools have resulted in generations of damaged individuals.
    If Native Americans get offended about the use of the term "Peace Pipe", they need to get thicker skin. They have bigger problems to worry about. And why is assimilation into modern society such a bad thing? Life on the reservation sucks for most Native Americans. In my opinion, they SHOULD assimilate, but that is up to them.

    And they lost the sacredness of anything once they started selling themselves out as carney stops at Indian casinos.

    I am legally Cherokee, and I can firmly say we were conquered by an economically, militarily, and technologically superior culture. It happened, and the quicker we get over that and assimilate into society, the better. Assimilating into society does not mean the removal or forbearance of your traditional culture. Jews, Greeks, Italians, on and on it goes, are able to become a functioning, productive part of this society, and not lose their heritage.

    It is time for Native Americans to do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdnangel View Post

    Who says they WANT to form an American identity, and why should they have to? Assimilation is a dirty word up here...for good reason. Government assimilation attempts to "beat the indian out of the child" at residential schools have resulted in generations of damaged individuals.
    who said anything about assimilation? Part of the American identity, in my opinion is that America is a melting pot. Doesn't mean you have to give up your identity, your religion, your language, your autonomy. Assimilation is not a dirty word here but "separate but equal" is and some of the programs surrounding the BIA management of the Indian Nations smack of it

    Also the number of Native Americans who are serving in Congress, where they can do so much good for their constituents is currently something like 2. Remember, the 55 million of acres held as "reservations" for the population, are held "in trust" by the Federal Government but they have very little representation there..or in the department of the Interior under which the Bureau of Indian Affairs and Indian Education fall. Despite the casinos which have made many nations wealthy, Native Americans are still very dependent upon subsidies and gov programs. Due to no fault of their own, the Native American population became the nations first welfare state, and we all know there is no future in putting your future into the governments hands.

    Plus the BIA has been corrupt, inefficient, neglectful and biased....look at the Jack Abramoff scandal...he was able to steer all kinds of subsidies to a tribe that needed it least, but was able to afford him as a lobbyist!

    As I said, I am aware of the raw deal the Native Americans have received for centuries and their situation is still very difficult...poverty, lack of access to good medical care, poor funding of schools, loss of their languages. Deficiencies in NA facilities that were documented as a national shame in something like 2001 are still the same today.

    so the 1975 Indian Self Determination act seemed like a good thing,and in some respects it was, in recognizing tribes, assisting them with self governance but it resulted in the tribes contracting the BIA to provide all kinds of assistance creating a bloated BIA staff. The BIA kind of flies under the radar and so is always on the line for cuts and recently received a huge budget cut of something like 750 million which decimated the Indian Health Service

    What it all comes down to is that the Federal Government has the ultimate power to manage lands in trust, fund programs and distribute subsidies. Who wouldn't want a say in things when the same governing body that originally pushed them out of their traditional lands and into the reservations (and beat the Indian out of the child) is the same governing body that manages the health, education and other programs that they are now in?

    There are so many problems with the Native American population that the general public doesn't know about, because of the sequestration of the people...I don't think many people remember the struggles of the 70's...it certainly hasn't been taught in schools

    If Native Americans were more visible in the media, more part of the mainstream, and not just fuzzily known as the operators of casinos, they would have more of a voice and more people would know what the situation really is.

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    Well, it isn't a dirty word here. In fact, it is part of the reason that we have enjoyed much of the success we have as a country. For many years people who chose to immigrate here gladly assimilated. They wanted to be Americans. Today, most could care less because they come here to exploit our public benefits and talk about how we suck. Yes, I've seen, heard, and dealt with it and it is demoralizing.
    Spoken like a true xenophobic nativist.

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    Spoken like a true xenophobic nativist.
    Spoken like a true leftist elitist who thinks that minorities would never breathe air without him. If you knew me, you'd feel pretty damn foolish for posting that. Fool.
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    Spoken like a true leftist elitist who thinks that minorities would never breathe air without him. If you knew me, you'd feel pretty damn foolish for posting that. Fool.
    Well, the first line of your response exposes your right-wing credentials. Did you hear that on Fox News or the Rush Limbaugh show? Maybe, Michael Savage?

 

 

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