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    Default Is It Fair To Say That Eddie Still Can't Stand Dave For The Most Part?

    I get the sense from the lack of truly new songs on ADKOT and the absolute inactivity or even basic contact since the ADKOT tour, that Eddie was essentially being forced in a sense to work with Dave, because Sammy or Dave is all that fans will accept if Eddie wants to ever make new music again.

    Is it fair to say that since they don't have anything to promote and make it look like they are best friends again, that Eddie still can't fucking stand Dave and that he wants nothing to do with him if he can help it?

    I really think Eddie would have been better off trying to fix things with Sammy over Dave if we are going to go long term here with a Van Halen comeback. Sammy and Eddie were actually best friends, so if they could finally fix things between them - I believe they would be able to write new songs together and just be in a better place than Eddie is with Dave.

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    I don't know if I would say he "can't stand" Dave anymore, but I know that if I had to work with Dave on anything, I'd probably get very tired of him very fast. He seems to have a good handle on what life's all about and is very happy with what he done, but always has this kind of arrogant, know-it-all attitude that would get really frustrating.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Sauce View Post
    I get the sense from the lack of truly new songs on ADKOT and the absolute inactivity or even basic contact since the ADKOT tour, that Eddie was essentially being forced in a sense to work with Dave, because Sammy or Dave is all that fans will accept if Eddie wants to ever make new music again.

    Is it fair to say that since they don't have anything to promote and make it look like they are best friends again, that Eddie still can't fucking stand Dave and that he wants nothing to do with him if he can help it?

    I really think Eddie would have been better off trying to fix things with Sammy over Dave if we are going to go long term here with a Van Halen comeback. Sammy and Eddie were actually best friends, so if they could finally fix things between them - I believe they would be able to write new songs together and just be in a better place than Eddie is with Dave.
    I'm not sure where you get the idea that Sammy and Eddie were "best friends." My understanding is that the honeymoon on that relationship barely made it through the 5150 tour.

    In Sammy's interview from last week, he even explicitly stated that he missed Al, because they could hang out and just shoot the breeze....something he and Eddie could never do. Everything I've read is that Sammy and Ed had a great creative partnership, but that's about the extent of it.

    Ditto Dave and Ed. They are now and have always been more like co-workers than friends. Co-workers tolerate each other and even have a few laughs on the job but on the weekends, the last thing they want to do is hang out socially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C Brown View Post
    I'm not sure where you get the idea that Sammy and Eddie were "best friends." My understanding is that the honeymoon on that relationship barely made it through the 5150 tour.

    In Sammy's interview from last week, he even explicitly stated that he missed Al, because they could hang out and just shoot the breeze....something he and Eddie could never do. Everything I've read is that Sammy and Ed had a great creative partnership, but that's about the extent of it.

    Ditto Dave and Ed. They are now and have always been more like co-workers than friends. Co-workers tolerate each other and even have a few laughs on the job but on the weekends, the last thing they want to do is hang out socially.
    I have read numerous interviews with Sammy where he has clearly said that Eddie and him were best friends and obviously just looking at things during the time of at least 5150,OU812 and FUCK - it's obvious to anyone that there was a bromance going on.

    That is partially the reason why Sammy was so hurt on a personal level when it ended badly and has said that he would love to get his best friend back.

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    Who knows. ADKOT and the last tour seem to prove that they can work together. What the fuck else can one ask for?

    EDIT: Oh fuck! just fell for another Sam vs Dave thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 47 View Post
    Who knows. ADKOT and the last tour seem to prove that they can work together. What the fuck else can one ask for?

    EDIT: Oh fuck! just fell for another Sam vs Dave thread.
    What work together - Eddie couldn't stand to be in the same room with Dave during the recording of ADKOT which is why they worked in different studios and they clearly couldn't actually sit down and write new songs together. I am sure the money from touring helped Eddie get through it with Dave, but I don't think he wants to stomach that again.

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    I think they are tolerating each other more than anything, and need quality time away from each other as much as they can, while not recording or touring.
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    I think it's a love/hate relationship. They both realize at this point that they need each other if either party is going to do anything successful in the music business. I think it's toleration more than anything.

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    Only in very small doses I think. Look at it this way, at some point Dave has been able to sit down and write an entire album with John 5, but Dave and Eddie can't get together to write new material. ADKOT was recorded separately. They supposedly have all kinds of extra tracks that were written for that album...but they can't seem to get together to work on VH. Touring together is easy, you only need to see the other guy on stage for two hours, it's not hard to avoid each other on the road. VH is as dysfunctional as it's ever been, mostly because Eddie seems to have lost the desire for it. I think he wants to be retired and just jam with his brother and his son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Sauce View Post
    What work together - Eddie couldn't stand to be in the same room with Dave during the recording of ADKOT which is why they worked in different studios and they clearly couldn't actually sit down and write new songs together. I am sure the money from touring helped Eddie get through it with Dave, but I don't think he wants to stomach that again.
    Well said... Sums it up perfectly

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    Is it fair to say that one person you have no personal knowledge or experience of can't stand another person you have no personal knowledge or experience of?

    ...Sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamnerhead View Post
    Is it fair to say that one person you have no personal knowledge or experience of can't stand another person you have no personal knowledge or experience of?

    ...Sure.
    Exactly. We, as usual, have no idea what is actually going on with these guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamnerhead View Post
    Is it fair to say that one person you have no personal knowledge or experience of can't stand another person you have no personal knowledge or experience of?

    ...Sure.
    Please. Don't embarrass yourself. I know Van Halen fans want Eddie and Dave to BFF's, so that we get numerous new albums and tours, but we are well aware from various reports from solid sources that Dave and Eddie couldn't work on ADKOT in the same room and they have not had much interaction since the ADKOT tour. Any interaction is done over the phone, etc. Not in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamnerhead View Post
    Is it fair to say that one person you have no personal knowledge or experience of can't stand another person you have no personal knowledge or experience of?

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    Please. Don't embarrass yourself. I know Van Halen fans want Eddie and Dave to BFF's, so that we get numerous new albums and tours, but we are well aware from various reports from solid sources that Dave and Eddie couldn't work on ADKOT in the same room and they have not had much interaction since the ADKOT tour. Any interaction is done over the phone, etc. Not in person.

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    Forgive me guys, I'm new. But I think there is a little over harping on demo material for ADKOT
    It's something all bands do, they go back to old demos, old material, rework it and before you know it half the album is on the can. There are demos out there following 5150 that has material used on OU812 and FUCK
    Eddie has been able to get along with anyone not related to him and the problem is more with his personality, his drinking, and how obsessive he is.
    Also don't under estimate their ability to sign with any record label, they've been told in no uncertain terms, Sam or Dave or no music.
    It takes this band years to release albums and I'm sure we will hear from them again. But to be fair the marriage portion never worked, it was only the music that did

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