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    Dave quits right after the hugely succesfull 1984 and Sammy gets forced out after the huge album Balance . Its funny because those are probably the two albums that worked the best for =vh=, not forgeting the firs album of course.

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    Actually VH's albums sales were on a definite slide with Sammy, they got lower with each of his releases. That's no slam on him at all, just a fact of music and tastes.

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    I agree with you about 1984 but I thought ,IMO, the most successful Sammy/VH album was 5150.

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    That's no opinion, that's a fact. "5150" was easily the highest selling Sammy-era record.

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    Brett is correct. The Van Hagar album sales went downhill with each release, though all were at least double platinum. Many consider Balance to be the worst album to bear the "Van Halen" name (outside of the obvious VD III anyway). I don't hate the album myself, but it is far from their best performance, especially Sammy who sounded completely worn out, and given the Danniels created tension within the band, probably was.

    Not even close to being a peak success as 1984 was.

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    If you're referring to album sales, you're right, if you're talking concert business, that's a different story. Balance was one of the biggest grossing tours of that year. (Every Van Halen tour was like that, though) I can't even begin to imagine what the reunion tour will be like! Done right, it might beat Hell Freezes Over, which to my knowledge is still the biggest grossing reunion concert. (I hope so, I hate the fucking Eagles)

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    Y'all are looking at the wrong data when it comes to album sales. It's not a matter of how much it sold, but how fast. 5150 was out for almost 9 years when Balance was released. Of course it has more sales. I just looked at some info on the VH site, and there's something remarkable (to me) in the numbers:

    Album Released Multi (2X) Platinum
    5150 3/24/86 5/28/86
    OU812 5/24/88 7/26/88
    FUCK 6/17/91 11/08/91
    Balance 1/24/95 3/29/95

    So the only one not to make doulbe platinum within about 2 months was FUCK, which took about 5. VH stayed remarkably consistent in it's sales throughout the Hagar years. It really suprised me that Balance sold as well out of the gate as 5150 and OU812. And that FUCK didn't.

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    thats a hell of a point you got there. i never would have guessed that f.u.c.k would have sold slower, wait was that when pearl jam, aic, soundgarden and nirvana exploded?

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    Balance was a success BUT IMO and sales wise there were better Van Hagar albums than Balance . I feel they were at there top with Sam on the 5150 album and the F.U.C.K. album and tours as well .

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    Sales are dependant on time, and on the strength of future releases. People who bought Balance and liked it were likely to buy one of the others, if they didn't already have them. Balance didn't really benefit from releases after it... not as yet, anyway.

    It just really suprised me that FUCK was the slowest seller. It got the most support from the media, and a whole'lotta very well done videos.

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    I don't think a band has ever fallen from grace so quickly as Van Halen did after Balance. It wasn't Sammy's most popular album with VH, but the band was all over the place, everyone knew who VH was. The Balance tour was huge. Peavey Wolfgangs came out, stuff like that...

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    It was a busy time for them. What I was trying to show is that they weren't losing their fan base with Balance. It was the same size at its core in 1995 as it was in 1986.

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    what were the sales comparisons between VH3 and Dave's last album? Anyone?
    Bueller!?
    please!

    [This message has been edited by eddymon (edited July 26, 2000 at 11:14 AM).]

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brett:
    Actually VH's albums sales were on a definite slide with Sammy, they got lower with each of his releases. That's no slam on him at all, just a fact of music and tastes.
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    yes, but lets not forget what you have said yourslef in regards to album sales of sammy and dave solo:

    music trends are different now, tradtional hard rock WILL NOT sell as well as it did- we live in an era of teeny-pop and grunge...there is no way dave and van halen would have not seen declining sales.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eddymon:
    what were the sales comparisons between VH3 and Dave's last album? Anyone?
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    Before you compare the sales of the two albums, you have to realize the circumstances were completely different.

    VDIII had the "Van Halen" brand name, 7 million dollars of Time Warner publicity and forced airplay on radio stations nationwide, not to mention the corporate bucks from Peavey, milk and Nissan ads, etc.

    DLR Band was literally Dave paying for everything out of his own pocket. For an indie release to do as well as it did with no publicity, very little airplay, and even marketing problems (many 16 year old record store clerks really didn't know that DLR meant David Lee Roth, nand Dave wasn't pictured on the cover) is remarkable to say the least. Given an equal playing field,this album would have killed the Van Danniels album commercially, just as it did musically.

    Now the statistics lovers can quote the numbers.....


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