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    Default Government Plan to Stop School Shootings: Monitor Homeschoolers

    A government advisory commission assembled in the wake of the tragic Sandy Hook shooting has issued a proposal for preventing similar events that is raising eyebrows:

    Monitor certain homeschoolers.

    The Sandy Hook Advisory Commission (SHAC), consisting of 16 educators, local and state officials, and “behavioral experts,” was created 18 months ago by Governor Dannel Malloy after 20-year-old Adam Lanza committed the Connecticut mass shooting that transfixed the nation in December 2012. The commission is targeting homeschooling apparently because Lanza’s mother removed him from the government school system in 10th grade and taught him at home for one and a half years.

    The SHAC’s “chief recommendation” — which is for “tighter scrutiny of homeschoolers” — would only apply to home-educated students labeled with “emotional, social, or behavioral problems.” But observers worry this will be used as a pretext for gratuitous state intrusion into homeschooling families, as those with “problem” children “would have to file progress reports prepared by [government] special education program teams,” reports CTPost.com. Of special concern is the matter of who will determine what constitutes “emotional, social, or behavioral problems.”

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    Continuing to welcome us all to the intrusive United Socialist States of America
    Does the right to privacy even still exist ?
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    not the worst idea in the world but not what i would have guessed their chief recommendation would be.

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    No, the first knee jerk reaction was to make it next to impossible to own a fire arm in CT.

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    Default Government Plan to Stop School Shootings: Monitor Homeschoolers

    As a homeschooling parent the last sentence in the OP sums it up.
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    It's pretty obvious homeschooling is frowned upon by the government because it's harder to indoctrinate children without being exposed to Common Core and similar programs that frown upon developing critical thinking...

    Bravo to the parents that get their kids out of the atrocious public school system and home school their kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fast98dodge View Post
    It's pretty obvious homeschooling is frowned upon by the government because it's harder to indoctrinate children without being exposed to Common Core and similar programs that frown upon developing critical thinking...

    Bravo to the parents that get their kids out of the atrocious public school system and home school their kids.
    Were you home schooled?

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    No but public education now isn't the same as it was 20+ years ago.

    I've talked with a number of educators from my class that are still teaching and the consensus is standards are much lower and critical thinking is not part of the curriculum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fast98dodge View Post
    No but public education now isn't the same as it was 20+ years ago.

    I've talked with a number of educators from my class that are still teaching and the consensus is standards are much lower and critical thinking is not part of the curriculum.
    what grades do they teach? When do you feel that critical thinking was introduced when you were in school?

    The reason I ask is because this "they aren't teaching to kids to think independently" seems to be a popular criticism up here as well nowadays. But that was never part of grade or high school when I went to school (80-92), we were just taught stuff. There was no "thinking outside the box" at those ages as were still learning to think inside the box. That's something that comes up in college and university for the most part.

    If anything I think this critical thinking or independent thought is a problem with too many young people. The "let me do it my way" thing when starting a job fresh out of school. No, how bout you learn the way it's done then once you understand it then you can introduce changes. If anything we need kids to a better job of following orders in school because parents are doing a shitty job on that part of their job.

    Homeschooling scares me because those who choose to home school tend to be in the extremes politically or religiously (extreme left or extreme right doesn't matter). And learning history for instance from someone who only looks at one side of issues is a nice way to not learn history properly.

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    It's funny to me when people bring up the "indoctrination" that occurs within public schools. It would seem there's just as good a chance that happens during homeschooling, maybe more so.

    I would think that a student being exposed to different views and opinions among his fellow students would bring about greater potential for critical thinking than the homeschooling alternative.

    But, what do I know...I went to a public school.
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    Says the guy who still believes the lone gunman theory...
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    It's Mike, I was in school at the same time you were. I feel most teachers encouraged us to think for ourselves or outside the box as you put it in high school and middle school. Maybe critical thinking was too strong of a term.

    You bring up a good point about parents being involved. I wonder if I would've still been a good student if my parents weren't actively involved with my studies and keeping up on me to make sure work got done.

    Part of doing things "my way" or changing how things are done in the workplace only works when learning the system first and then analyzing it before changing it. The example you gave sounds like a student with bad study habits, no discipline, lazy, and likely not very intelligent.

    Your example of using history is very interesting. I say this because I really wonder if kids are being taught history or revisionist history. The example I'll use is the Vietnam War. When we were in school we were taught we were attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin and that began the war. In recent years it's come to light that the war was started by a false flag... I wonder if they teach that the war was started on a lie. Highly doubtful...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fast98dodge View Post
    Says the guy who still believes the lone gunman theory...
    Exactly! My critical thinking skills allow me to come to that most reasonable conclusion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fast98dodge View Post
    It's Mike, I was in school at the same time you were. I feel most teachers encouraged us to think for ourselves or outside the box as you put it in high school and middle school. Maybe critical thinking was too strong of a term.

    You bring up a good point about parents being involved. I wonder if I would've still been a good student if my parents weren't actively involved with my studies and keeping up on me to make sure work got done.

    Part of doing things "my way" or changing how things are done in the workplace only works when learning the system first and then analyzing it before changing it. The example you gave sounds like a student with bad study habits, no discipline, lazy, and likely not very intelligent.

    Your example of using history is very interesting. I say this because I really wonder if kids are being taught history or revisionist history. The example I'll use is the Vietnam War. When we were in school we were taught we were attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin and that began the war. In recent years it's come to light that the war was started by a false flag... I wonder if they teach that the war was started on a lie. Highly doubtful...
    i think history is always taught from "our" perspective or revisionist history. But I think you're more likely to hear about the other side in a public school then you are in a home school environment (unless you have incredibly open minded parents who look at both sides of every issue) just because there'll be students who were taught different things at home and might bring that to the discussion. I'll give the example of WW2 since that's a topic we all studied. We were taught it from Canada's perspective and the other side were looked at as 100% evil. I remember, in like grade 10 maybe, that a teacher said something along the lines of "we wanted all of the other sides troops killed" and I raised my hand and said "i wouldn't have wanted that". The teacher seemed puzzled until I informed him that my grandfather was fighting on the other side and him surviving was needed for me to be alive. Because of my background (Italian) I've read alot about the other side of the war (read alot of books on the topic) since schools only taught one side.

    I don't think schools, for the most part, taught students to question things in grade school when I was a kid. I know that I often did and I stood out like a sore thumb a lot (especially in mathematics where my mind worked differently than other kids). Granted I went to Catholic school and maybe that was part of the deal too. Not sure. Personally I thinking outside the box isn't something that is taught for the most part. I think you're either that type or you're not.

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    This is just more proof that the government uses tragedy to do what it wants to do anyway. And that doesn't just apply to Obama. It is always the case.

    "Critical thinking" is fast becoming a buzz word. It is a skill everyone needs. But in general it is code for "we'll tell you how to think."

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