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    Default Deal gives Saudi Arabia ‘unrestricted’ access to U.S. airspace

    Saudi Arabia’s struggles with terrorism are well known, but that hasn’t stopped the United States from signing an “Open Skies” agreement with the nation.

    Soon, the Saudis will have “unrestricted” access to U.S. airspace, according to the U.S. State Department website:

    “The United States-Saudi Arabia Open Skies agreement will, following a transition period, permit unrestricted air service by the airlines of both countries between and beyond the other’s territory, eliminating restrictions on how often the carriers fly, the kind of aircraft they use and the prices they charge. This agreement will allow for the strengthening and expansion of our strong trade and tourism links with Saudi Arabia, benefitting U.S. and Saudi Arabian businesses and travelers by expanding opportunities for air services and encouraging vigorous price competition by airlines, while preserving our commitments to aviation safety and security. …”

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    They should be more restricted than anyone considering their alleged involvement in 9/11...
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    Sounds like the Saudi's just bought Obama. Guess Bush wasn't the only pres manipulated by those towel heads.

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    this does not sound like a really good idea.

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    Sounds like a great way to set up a false flag attack and blame it on ISIS.
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    Self disclosure on this one, I'm a pilot for a one of the largest airlines here in the US.

    Open skies agreements are not fair skies agreements. This agreement states that they (foreign airlines) can fly into our country and that US airlines can fly into theirs, although it's not that simple. The problem with middle eastern airlines is that practically all of them are state owned, in other words the governments own the airlines.

    Middle eastern airlines have access to almost an unlimited amount of money to finance their operations. Those in the US do not, that's a big difference.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...41732219208604

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulli...mployee-rights

    Some will say that US airlines offer a sub par product in comparison to that offered by the middle eastern airlines. That is in fact true. The flight attendants that work for the middle eastern carriers are typically in their early 20's and are either from asia or depressed parts of Europe. The middle eastern carriers have absolutely no labor laws to deal with. If a flight attendant is overweight, they are fired. If the flight attendant or pilot has a bad attitude, they are fired with no recourse from the employees. By way of comparison, many flight attendants in the US are over 80 years old and can not be fired because of discrimination laws. Try and find a flight attendant over 35 at any of the middle eastern airlines.

    Yet there is more to this. The Export Import bank (the US government) gives loans to the middle eastern airlines that are significantly lower than any US carrier can obtain. In other words the Middle eastern airlines can buy airplanes cheaper than the airlines in the US can because our government provides cheap loans to foreign countries so that Boeing can sell airplanes. Put another way, our government is favoring one industry over another.

    Ever been on a cruise that originated in the US? Ever notice that those ships are registered in a foreign country? Cruise ship employees do not have the rights of those that are based in the US, thus no registered cruise ships in the US. Put another way, there is virtually no US shipping industry. Check out the names of the container ships in Long Beach or New Orleans, NY etc.

    For those of us in the airline industry, our biggest fear is that our own government will sell us out. It's simply because our government is for sale. Just my .02c

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