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    Seeing the white makes me really really tempted to completely re-do my Kramer Holy Grail and paint it white white instead of off white.... Damn you Allan! LOL

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    Hah-hah! Good idea Nick! The whole popularity of the "Holy Grail" Kramers is that people want a guitar that looks like the one Ed held in the Kramer ad where he is wearing the 'No Bozos' t-shirt. No doubt that the guitar was very freshly finished in clear by the time of that photo shoot...it appears white-white because the clear hadn't had enough time to yellow into the cream color that would naturally occur over a short space of time.

    If you did a "Holy Grail" Kramer build in a white spray paint and buffed rubbing compound finish (like you did on my '78 Frankenstein and like Ed did on most of his personal guitars) you would end up with an instrument that looks more like the "Holy Grail" Kramer as it is pictured in the 'No Bozos' ad than any actual production model could...And if you carefully apply the correct block logo black Kramer waterslide decal and expose it to UV light for a few hours (as I did on my '75 Destroyer headstock) you will get a very nice looking headstock with the sharp contrast of the black letters in the "Kramer" block logo against that crisp, "white-white" background that results from leaving the clear coats off...Do it! You know you want to!

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    The tuners on the Shark look more to me like Schaller tuners.

    Quote Originally Posted by garbeaj View Post
    Here is another pic that I got from jimi that shows what the actual tuners were on the "Shark" era Ibanez Destroyer.

    These are actually "Asterisk" tuners rather than the more common "Star" tuners...these are even more rare than standard Ibanez "Star" tuners...yet another reason why I went with the Schaller "D" logo tuners on my build. Ed had three gold and three chrome "Asterisk" tuners on the guitar when it was made into the "Shark"...


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    Nope...they are the Ibanez "Asterisk" tuners. The Ibanez "Star" and "Asterisk" tuners were meant to copy the look of Schallers. Only the 1975 NAMM prototype Destroyers actually used the "D" logo Schallers. As the above picture shows, by the time Ed turned the Destroyer into the "Shark" Destroyer, he replaced three of the tuners with gold "Asterisk" tuners leaving the "Shark" with three gold "Asterisk" tuners and three original chrome "Asterisk" tuners.

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    Default Sorry but I have to cry BS on this one

    Just happened to be perusing this site and saw the posts - cool white Destroyer! BUT, Garbeaj they are clearly Schaller tuners on that guitar - you see the Schaller logos on them?
    They are not the star tuners - ed was having problems keeping it in tune with the ibanez tuners and upgraded it to the schallers which have been a favorite of his for years.
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    Garbeaj,

    That is awesome work, I had an idea to do an Explorer/Destroyer project, but I kind of abandoned, seeing your thread made me go out and buy an Explorer kit...I really love your guitar, I'm more partial to the "pre-Shark" days, and then I saw the Chris Holmes one and I thought, well that ignited that fire again...

    Really awesome job
    Earn this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by garbeaj View Post
    Nope...they are the Ibanez "Asterisk" tuners. The Ibanez "Star" and "Asterisk" tuners were meant to copy the look of Schallers. Only the 1975 NAMM prototype Destroyers actually used the "D" logo Schallers. As the above picture shows, by the time Ed turned the Destroyer into the "Shark" Destroyer, he replaced three of the tuners with gold "Asterisk" tuners leaving the "Shark" with three gold "Asterisk" tuners and three original chrome "Asterisk" tuners.

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    Hmm, Iím just not seeing the distinctive asterisk logo nor the black plate that surrounds it. In fact, Iíve never heard of the asterisk tuners having been on any law suit era Destroyer, chrome or gold. Looking again at the pics you can almost make out the ĎSí logo. Ed had Schallers on the black and white guitar, presumably his Les Paul Custom, later on the Bee and even endorsed Fenderís decision to put them on the replica, so why not also the Shark? Here is a reference shot of the same gold Schaller tuners.



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    The shots that you posted show that Ed changed tuners between when those two shots were taken. I see the asterisks, but maybe it is not as clear to others or maybe I'm just seeing things.

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    Default The Ibanez shark destroyer appreciation thread.

    This is where we discuss the awesomeness known as the Ibanez "shark" destroyer that was famously used on the first Van Halen album. It was such an integral part of the sound of that first album.



    I've always wondered if it had the original super 70's pickups that they came with back then. I know Ed said he hated the way it sounded after he took a hacksaw to it but I wish it would've made an appearance on other albums/tours. He loved it so much that he borrowed Chris Holmes's destroyer for women and children first.
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    The Mako Shark is one of my favorites. Why? It's fucking lethal. It's fast, it's mean and its teeth are vicious as hell. And, it's a very mysterious shark as well. Definitely not studied as much as a great white or tiger sharks.

    So that's my opinion on sharks and........

    wait a minute.......

    This subject is about Ed's guitar? Well shit Fudd, why didn't you say so and post a pic of the actual guitar in question? Ok, yeah, that's a cool guitar!

    Damn it bro........

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    Wasn't the Shark actually his white Destroyer from their club days?

    And, do we get to know when he chopped it?

    It looks like he drilled a line of about 1/2" holes, and then cut through them with a bandsaw, or a jigsaw.
    Hacksaws are for cutting metal, but then again, it is Edward.

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    I imagine he mangled it sometime in 1978-79. That's why it never appeared again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fudd View Post
    I imagine he mangled it sometime in 1978-79. That's why it never appeared again.
    He used in on the 1980 tour


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    The shark for me is one of Ed's more elusive guitars. After the early eighties it was just forgotten. Which sucks because on Jamie's crying and you really got me I had never, ever heard a guitar sound that raw and mean. To this day I've never heard anyone replicate that. That guitar and his Marshall were like the perfect combo. That's why I'd really like to know more about it.

    I had a chance to buy an original destroyer in 2010 and didn't because it did t have the original pickups.

 

 

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