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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    I’m part of the problem suggesting decriminalizing consensual, nonviolent, victimless interactions amongst adults would help avoid confrontations like the one between police and Eric Garner and spare lives that shouldn’t be lost?

    What’s the problem, again, because I must have missed it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    None of those examples are consensual or victimless, and selling to kids isn’t consensual adults.

    What you’re arguing for is that if NYC had outlawed 17+ ounce sodas and a restaurateur was killed by police who showed up to address his selling large sodas, reconsidering the law is not a serious option. Telling restaurants to break the law more conspicuously and training cops not to kill large soda sellers is serious. Repealing the law is just letting the criminals win and tossing out laws people don’t like.

    But to seriously address the last part, the whole point is that no one would be on the streets selling single cigarettes if it were legal, for the same reason no one is selling booze in the streets.





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    and no one would die selling heroin in school yards if they could open a store to do it next door. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.

    And I'm not arguing cops kill people selling large sodas. I'm arguing that cops be trained to not kill people if their life is not at risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post

    And I'm not arguing cops kill people selling large sodas. I'm arguing that cops be trained to not kill people if their life is not at risk.
    This is the reasonable direction.

    Unfortunately, that’s the training they should be receiving now. In fact they probably are receiving that training. Law enforcement is not supposed to use lethal force of any kind unless their life or the lives of others are in immediate danger.

    It comes down to the individual administering the law to conclude if lethal force is needed.

    The big problem in terms of repeat incidents is the punishment for those who do overstep and abuse their power. 99.9% of the time they get off scot free or they get reassigned to different duties. That is simply unacceptable. They need to be terminated and prosecuted.

    There has to be far greater punishment in order to deter similar abuses of power. And every cop needs to have a body camera running from when they start their shift to when they punch out. And they can’t be turned off. Ever. If they are, it’s punishable by immediate termination.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    This is the reasonable direction.

    Unfortunately, that’s the training they should be receiving now. In fact they probably are receiving that training. Law enforcement is not supposed to use lethal force of any kind unless their life or the lives of others are in immediate danger.

    It comes down to the individual administering the law to conclude if lethal force is needed.

    The big problem in terms of repeat incidents is the punishment for those who do overstep and abuse their power. 99.9% of the time they get off scot free or they get reassigned to different duties. That is simply unacceptable. They need to be terminated and prosecuted.

    There has to be far greater punishment in order to deter similar abuses of power. And every cop needs to have a body camera running from when they start their shift to when they punch out. And they can’t be turned off. Ever. If they are, it’s punishable by immediate termination.


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    That happened here. Didn't stop animals setting shit on fire

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    Yeah, you can’t look at a sample size of one and assume after vast improvement in disciplining that the response would be the same.

    The amount of abuses of power that have occurred that result in death with zero penalty far outnumber this one murder resulting in groups of protests and riots.

    The time to start is now so that 10 years from now this shit happens a lot less frequently again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    Yeah, you can’t look at a sample size of one and assume after vast improvement in disciplining that the response would be the same.

    The amount of abuses of power that have occurred that result in death with zero penalty far outnumber this one murder resulting in groups of protests and riots.

    The time to start is now so that 10 years from now this shit happens a lot less frequently again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    Burning buildings and looting stores isnt how change happens.

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    You’re looking at the reaction only and missing the point I made earlier entirely.

    You are more than welcome to focus on whatever injustice you like.


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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    Burning buildings and looting stores isnt how change happens.

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    The change that minorities are protesting (rioting/looting) about will never come from them alone. You'll never beat "The Man" into submission. . It will come from within law enforcement. A total sea change in thinking/cooperation. It will need trailblazers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    You’re looking at the outcome and reaction only and missing the point I made earlier entirely.

    You are more than welcome to focus on whatever injustice you like.


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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    What was that point?

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    The change has to come from law enforcement.

    Whats your point of all this other than just pointing out that the looters and rioters are bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    The change has to come from law enforcement.

    Whats your point of all this other than just pointing out that the looters and rioters are bad?
    I agree with your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    I agree with your point.

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