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    A Guitar with Multiple Outputs

    Does anyone know if its possible that a guitar could be designed/built where the PUPs would be configured to only pickup certain strings, either individual ones or in small groupings, and then those signals could be sent to separate output jacks?

    You could send those outputs to separate effect processing and the guitar would be controlling completely different sounds all in real time from one players hands. I'm working on a song right now and this is exactly what I need to do and I don't want to multitrack.

    You could run the low E through a POG for example, and then have the 2 high strings being processed in an opposite sound style.

    I've never seen anything like this...

    What exactly did the Ripley guitar do?

    I guess it would all come down to building special PUPs.

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    The pickups in the Ripley picked up each string as a separate signal, and the controls let you pan each string differently. So with it, you could very well send one string to one output, and two other strings to another output. That's the limit though, as there are just stereo outputs. You couldn't send the other strings to yet another different output, if that was something that you wanted to do.

    MIDI hex pickups are similar in that they pick up each string separately, and you could process the sound from each string separately as well, assuming you have the gear to do that. The equipment you would need would be outputting MIDI data though, so you would need some sort of sound generator, and you wouldn't really be getting the sound of your guitar that way.

    If someone was really good at pickup winding, it would be possible to make a Ripley-style pickup and have multiple configurable output options. Also, I just did a quick search and found this site: http://www.ubertar.com/hexaphonic/. They make hex pickups, as well as one-, two-, and three-string pickups, which might be right up your alley for what you're trying to do. I have no clue if they're any good as I just found the site, but they look interesting!

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    Thanks a lot for the info K!!

    I've already got a Sonuus G2M MIDI converter...
    But I just use that to come up with vocal melody lines... (LINES only)
    It doesn't help with real and or polyphonic guitar signal

    I guess I just have to build a custom instrument
    I'll call my tech and see if he can help

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    Yeah, the Ripley simply sent each string either left or right or any combination (six pan knobs on the guitar itself).

    But the level of wiring expertise needed to do something like that has absolutely got to be over the top. I'm assuming you have a bit of an electrical engineering background. Otherwise, the schematics for those things...strikes me as requiring a full-blown education!

    Unless of course those Hex pickups come that way (never even heard of those) -- then you're halfway there.

    I'm super curious -- beyond curious -- and definitely want to see what you come up with.

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    I believe these hexaphonic pickups can be routed to 6 outputs

    http://www.ubertar.com/hexaphonic/products.html

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    That is absolutely correct...the hexaphonic MIDI pickups can do exactly what you are talking about. I learned about it from speaking to Rick Turner of Rennaisance Guitars. I have a nylon string Gibson Chet Atkins cutaway electric acoustic guitar and I was trying to chase the sound that Lindsey Buckingham got on the live version of "Big Love" from Fleetwood Mac's reunion album The Dance and Rick walked me through the setup he did on Lindsey's Gibson Chet Atkins. The meat of the sound was the piezo pickups that he installed in the saddle to replace the originals and adding the hexaphonic stereo pickup system with a MIDI cable output...in other words there was a regular output cable and a seperate one that had a MIDI interface attachment which triggered a keyboard sound that was then sent to a seperate amp from the main piezo tone.

    As it turned out, the MIDI system resulted in a very faint and atmospheric sound with the piezo sound dominating the mix...it sounds cool and Lindsey uses this setup to this day for that one song (I met Lindsey in Orange, TX a few years ago on his last solo tour and he confirmed this)...

    But this setup was too expensive for too much of an atmospheric result and would have required a seperate amp and MIDI keyboard, so I gave up on it. It was near to figure out how it worked, but in practice I'll likely never do such a thing.

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    I'm just really surprised that this setup is not more common...
    especially given the prevalence of Inside-the-Box guitar effect plug-ins and multiple-amp live setups.

    I wonder if there's any existing Patent protection

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    Double post
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    Default A Guitar with Multiple Outputs

    More than two for stereo just seems like it would be more trouble than its worth as far as pure 1/4" anyway
    6 cords hanging from a guitar. Even for just recording seems like over kill and an electronics nightmare to maintain
    As an EET. I would def wire one up if I had one to try. Just for fun


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    I wonder if the Line 6 Variax guitars could do this? They basically have 6 digital pickups (one for each string). They are pretty cool guitars.

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    Don felder did it.

 

 

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