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    I Know This Sounds Goofy But Listen!

    Ok so of course I have an EVH Phase 90 and I use it on several different songs, etc. and of course on the VH stuff that we play. And on my pedal board it's out front.

    Last week I was playing around before practice and for the hell of it I put the Phase 90 in the loop of my 5150, set it at about 25% speed and left it on as just part of my sound...and wow it sounded really freaking good, just kind of made the tone more brown. But of course it was very subtle, not like having it out front. I just really liked it.

    So now fine it's in the loop, but now I can't use it out front like normal for parts of other songs. What the hell do I do? I do have another old Phase 90. Can I throw that one out front? Will that like total cancel out or sound completely awful? I never really thought about it before. I didn't expect it would sound cool in the loop, but it really does and I kinda want it there as part of the tone now but want to be able to use it like normal out front sometimes too.

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    That's really interesting that it sounds more subtle in the loop, usually if the mod is post-gain then it'll be more intense.

    As for trying the other phaser out front and using them in tandem: why the hell not? Might cause some weird phasing issues...or it might be more awesome. Or you might rip a hole in the space-time continuum. Either way, I'm looking forward to hearing about it...

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    Wow! Yeah, I'd have thought it would be more intense in the loop too. I had a non script blockletter logo version, and mine sounded terrible in the loop. I've had several since, but never attempted the loop again. Figured they'd all sound the same....just really bad. I know the circuit is considerably different in terms of the resistors used between the original script/reissues and the more modern models....I did what was called I think the R-28 mod, (snipping out the resistor numbered 28 on the board) but it didn't really make a lot of difference. Still wayyy too swoopy for the loop with mine. As long as yours sounds cool, then like you said, why not just run one in front and one in the loop for a different tone?
    Simple as setting them close together on the board for a quick change. I don't think you'd have any problem at all even if you ran them together at the same time. As far as cancelling, you'd have to dial them so the sweeps were quite consistently in parallel to each other in timing to cause an issue I'd think. Even then, if anything, if there was cancelling, it would be pretty short in duration. I run dual Phaser in stereo sometimes when doing mixdowns on some stuff with some time variation which gives a kinda cool sound. Think Led Zep Phyisical Graffiti era tunes like 10 Years Gone, Kashmir, and IMTOD. There is a little cancelling, but it's more like this intermittent higher intensity cross-phasing type of sound.
    Of course, you'll be mono, but it may still have that interesting cross phase effect.
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    I did the R28 mod on the same pedal you have but put the EVH in the loop. My hope was to put the block one in the loop and use the EVH out front. But now after your comment that might not work.
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    Should be fine Brett. I don't think it would cause you any issues. It would be no different than having a chorus in the effects loop with a phaser out front. If the one in the effects loop is it a significantly different rate, and subtle in the mix, you shouldn't notice anything weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    I did the R28 mod on the same pedal you have but put the EVH in the loop. My hope was to put the block one in the loop and use the EVH out front. But now after your comment that might not work.
    don't go by my phase 90 alone. They were real inconsistent in the early 90s. I had several fail in fact. If yours sounds good go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    Ok so of course I have an EVH Phase 90 and I use it on several different songs, etc. and of course on the VH stuff that we play. And on my pedal board it's out front.

    Last week I was playing around before practice and for the hell of it I put the Phase 90 in the loop of my 5150, set it at about 25% speed and left it on as just part of my sound...and wow it sounded really freaking good, just kind of made the tone more brown. But of course it was very subtle, not like having it out front. I just really liked it.

    So now fine it's in the loop, but now I can't use it out front like normal for parts of other songs. What the hell do I do? I do have another old Phase 90. Can I throw that one out front? Will that like total cancel out or sound completely awful? I never really thought about it before. I didn't expect it would sound cool in the loop, but it really does and I kinda want it there as part of the tone now but want to be able to use it like normal out front sometimes too.

    Thoughts?
    If you've set the amount low, I'm guessing you've got a simulation of mic phasing in a studio - a slightly hollowed out tone that's very expressive? A lot of classic tones have that, and some players specifically chased that sound and took it to extremes. Billy Gibbons, for example, with that thin and raspy tone he used here and there, like on the Deguello album. A lot of Joe Satriani's early tones from Not of this Earth and Surfing with the Alien have that phased mic sound too.

    Anyway, I don't see why having another phaser at the top of the chain would be a problem. Since they're each pre- and post-distortion, I wouldn't expect frequencies to clash much if at all.
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