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    It was all over the news tonight. Bowe Bergdahl, an eccentric Army soldier held POW since 2009, has been released, in exchange for 5 Qatari terrorists. And while Obama, his parents and the MSM are tripping all over themselves, calling him a hero, there are A LOT of unanswered questions.

    Is he a heroic POW?? Or is he the lowest of the low, in military standards...a deserter? This Rolling Stone article by the late Michael Hastings, seems to point to the latter, over the former. It's a long, but interesting read

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    Yeah this guy was either a complete fucking moron violating all common sense and protocols, or he was a deserter. Either way, we just gave up 5 terrorists for him, including one that is accused of war crimes from the UN.

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    Yeah, the RS piece doesn't make him look good. I remember he went missing under very suspicious circumstances. Still, didn't take Obama long to put together a photo op.
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    Five of the Most Dangerous Taliban Commanders in U.S. Custody Exchanged for American Captive

    The Obama administration announced today that Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who has been held by the Taliban for several years, has been freed from his captors. Reading the stories of his newfound freedom it is impossible not to feel joy for Bergdahl and his family. NBC News reports that Bergdahl held up a sign once he was on board an American helicopter that read, “SF?” The operators quickly confirmed that they were in fact U.S. Special Forces: “Yes, we’ve been looking for you for a long time.”


    “On behalf of the American people, I was honored to call his parents to express our joy that they can expect his safe return, mindful of their courage and sacrifice throughout this ordeal,” President Obama said in a statement. The president rightly noted: “Sergeant Bergdahl's recovery is a reminder of America's unwavering commitment to leave no man or woman in uniform behind on the battlefield.”

    Unfortunately, America is not the only party in this war that is committed to leaving no man behind. So are the Taliban and other al Qaeda-linked groups. But the president did not say who America exchanged for Bergdahl: five of the most dangerous Taliban commanders in U.S. custody.

    The Taliban has long demanded that the “Gitmo 5” be released in order for peace talks to begin in earnest. The Obama administration has desperately sought to engage the Taliban as American forces are drawn down in Afghanistan, but those talks have gone nowhere to this point.  At first, the administration set preconditions for the talks, including that the Taliban break its relationship with al Qaeda. When it became clear that this was a non-starter, the administration decided to make the Taliban’s desired break with al Qaeda a goal, and no longer a precondition, for its diplomacy. 

    There is little hope that the peace talks will be more successful now. But the president seems to believe that Bergdahl’s exchange for the Gitmo 5 (who are reportedly being transferred to Qatar) may break the ice. “While we are mindful of the challenges, it is our hope Sergeant Bergdahl’s recovery could potentially open the door for broader discussions among Afghans about the future of their country by building confidence that it is possible for all sides to find common ground,” Obama said in his statement.

    The Obama administration says that security measures have been put into place to make sure that the Gitmo 5 do not pose a threat to American national security. Let’s hope that is true; it certainly has not been the case with many ex-Gitmo detainees in the past. 

    THE WEEKLY STANDARD has profiled these jihadists previously on multiple occasions, and what follows below is culled from these accounts.

    There are good reasons why the Taliban has long wanted the five freed from Gitmo. All five are among the Taliban’s top commanders in U.S. custody and are still revered in jihadist circles. 

    Two of the five have been wanted by the UN for war crimes. And because of their prowess, Joint Task Force-Guantanamo (JTF-GTMO) deemed all five of them “high” risks to the U.S. and its allies.  

    The Obama administration wants to convince the Taliban to abandon its longstanding alliance with al Qaeda. But these men contributed to the formation of that relationship in the first place. All five had close ties to al Qaeda well before the 9/11 attacks. Therefore, it is difficult to see how their freedom would help the Obama administration achieve one of its principal goals for the hoped-for talks.   

    Here are short bios for each of the five Taliban commanders. All quotes are drawn from declassified and leaked documents prepared at Guantanamo.



    Mullah Mohammad Fazl (Taliban army chief of staff): Fazl is “wanted by the UN for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiites.” Fazl “was associated with terrorist groups currently opposing U.S. and Coalition forces including al Qaeda, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin (HIG), and an Anti-Coalition Militia group known as Harakat-i-Inqilab-i-Islami.” In addition to being one of the Taliban’s most experienced military commanders, Fazl worked closely with a top al Qaeda commander named Abdul Hadi al Iraqi, who headed al Qaeda’s main fighting unit in Afghanistan prior to 9/11 and is currently detained at Guantanamo.

    Mullah Norullah Noori (senior Taliban military commander): Like Fazl, Noori is “wanted by the United Nations (UN) for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiite Muslims.” Beginning in the mid-1990s, Noori “fought alongside al Qaeda as a Taliban military general, against the Northern alliance.” He continued to work closely with al Qaeda in the years that followed.

    Abdul Haq Wasiq (Taliban deputy minister of intelligence): Wasiq arranged for al Qaeda members to provide crucial intelligence training prior to 9/11. The training was headed by Hamza Zubayr, an al Qaeda instructor who was killed during the same September 2002 raid that netted Ramzi Binalshibh, the point man for the 9/11 operation. Wasiq “was central to the Taliban's efforts to form alliances with other Islamic fundamentalist groups to fight alongside the Taliban against U.S. and Coalition forces after the 11 September 2001 attacks,” according to a leaked JTF-GTMO threat assessment.


    Khairullah Khairkhwa (Taliban governor of the Herat province and former interior minister): Khairkhwa was the governor of Afghanistan’s westernmost province prior to 9/11. In that capacity, he executed sensitive missions for Mullah Omar, including helping to broker a secret deal with the Iranians. For much of the pre-9/11 period, Iran and the Taliban were bitter foes. But a Taliban delegation that included Kharikhwa helped secure Iran’s support for the Taliban’s efforts against the American-led coalition in late 2001. JTF-GTMO found that Khairkhwa was likely a major drug trafficker and deeply in bed with al Qaeda. He allegedly oversaw one of Osama bin Laden’s training facilities in Herat.

    Mohammed Nabi (senior Taliban figure and security official): Nabi “was a senior Taliban official who served in multiple leadership roles.” Nabi “had strong operational ties to Anti-Coalition Militia (ACM) groups including al Qaeda, the Taliban, the Haqqani Network, and the Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin (HIG), some of whom remain active in ACM activities.” Intelligence cited in the JTF-GTMO files indicates that Nabi held weekly meetings with al Qaeda operatives to coordinate attacks against U.S.-led forces.

    Thomas Joscelyn is a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.



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    I hope that during their time in Gitmo, we knocked them out and stuffed tracking chips so far up their assholes that they touch the brain stem.

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    when I first heard of his release, I had not made the connection between this guy and the goofball who walked off base and disappeared.

    now I question whether he was worth the release of 5 active Taliban leaders....no question that we should not leave our servicemen or women behind but this was a voluntary disappearance, the scales of justice seem quite a bit unbalanced in this exchange.

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    The Story You Haven't Yet Heard About Bowe Bergdahl's Desertion

    By Michelle Malkin

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    Five years ago, I publicly raised questions about Bowe Bergdahl's desertion from Blackfoot Company, 1-501 Infantry (Airborne), 4th Brigade Combat Team (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division.

    A few weeks after his so-called "capture" in late June 2009, three conflicting accounts surfaced: U.S. officials told the Associated Press Bergdahl had "walked off" the base with three Afghans; the Taliban claimed on its website that "a drunken American soldier had come out of his garrison" and into their arms; and Bergdahl claimed in his Taliban "hostage video" that he had "lagged behind a patrol" before being captured.

    I asked on my blog: Were the AP's sources mistaken? Or is the disturbing first account the right one? What about the "three Afghans" Pfc. Bergdahl reportedly "just walked off" with after his shift? Who are they? What's going on?

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    Taliban Releases Video of Bowe Bergdahl's Return
    The Afghan Taliban released a propaganda video of U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl being returned to U.S. Special Operations Forces in Afghanistan.

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    This whole story is a red herring. The capture/desertion, the rescue and all the self-serving politics and speculation. It's all bullshit.

    The "scandal" is the 13-year, irresponsible nation-building experiment we conducted. Thousands of servicemen have died and many more native civilians, and all we have managed to do is transform Afghanistan into something like what it was before.

    Alexander the Great couldn't do it. The French couldn't do it. The British couldn't do it. The Soviets couldn't do it. We can't do it. Our civilian leaders took a chance with other people's lives because they thought it enhanced their power and geopolitical advantage. THAT is the real scandal. And no amount of misty-eyed flag waving is going to change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickslide View Post
    This whole story is a red herring. The capture/desertion, the rescue and all the self-serving politics and speculation. It's all bullshit.

    The "scandal" is the 13-year, irresponsible nation-building experiment we conducted. Thousands of servicemen have died and many more native civilians, and all we have managed to do is transform Afghanistan into something like what it was before.

    Alexander the Great couldn't do it. The French couldn't do it. The British couldn't do it. The Soviets couldn't do it. We can't do it. Our civilians leaders took a chance with other people's lives because they thought it enhanced their power and geopolitical advantage. THAT is the real scandal. And no amount of misty-eyed flag waving is going to change that.

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    Not that I want to derail the thread, but after 9/11 we had 4 options:

    1) Ignore that it happened. Vow revenge but do nothing and just tighten up our own security and hope they go away.

    2) Shoot some cruise missiles into the terrorist camps like Bill Clinton did and call it a day.

    3) Send some special forces without any logistical support on the ground in an attempt to find and kill or capture those responsible.

    4) Send troops over to take out the Taliban that knowingly harbored terrorists and destroy the training facilities while finding those responsible. Rather than leave a pile of rubble in our wake, attempt to build up the nation/government so there is an infrastructure in place that discourages lawlessness after we leave.



    We know the first 3 options wouldn't work, so if there's a better option than 4, I would suggest you should forward that to the Pentagon for the next time so we don't have to ever go through this again.

    The fact of the matter is there was no easy solution to responding to 9/11 (and the long build up to it due to inaction and aimlessly trying the first 3 options), so while we can bitch and moan about the mission, nation building, not learning from the past, etc., the sad part was there was no rational alternative.
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