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    NEW YORK (AP) -- A police officer, a paramedic, a rabbi, a nurse and a Boy Scout leader were among at least 70 people arrested in the New York City area in recent weeks as part of a sweeping investigation into the anonymous trading of child porn over the Internet.

    Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which led a five-week investigation ending last week, planned to announce Wednesday that it resulted in charges against at least 70 men and one woman. Officials call it one of the largest local roundups ever of individual consumers of child porn, and a stark reminder that they come from all segments of society.

    Consuming child porn "is not something that is just done by unemployed drifters who live in their parent's basement," said James Hayes, ICE's New York office. "If this operation does anything, it puts the lie to the belief that the people who do this are not productive members of society."

    Advances in technology and computer capacity have allowed child-porn collectors to more easily amass vast troves of images and to exchange files with each other directly, authorities say. The cyber dragnet resulted in the seizure of nearly 600 desktop and laptop computers, tablets, smartphones and other devices containing a total of 175 terabytes of storage.

    Agents are still examining the devices to locate and catalog evidence - an arduous task that could result in more arrests. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children also will use its analysts to review the images to see if it can identify children using databases of known victims.

    "We refer to each of these images as a crime scene photo because that's exactly what they are," said John Ryan, the organization's chief executive officer.

    Authorities decided to launch the operation after the arrest in January of a former police chief in suburban Mount Pleasant, Brian Fanelli, who pleaded not guilty this week to federal charges of knowingly receiving and distributing child pornography. Court papers allege that Fanelli told investigators he began looking at child porn as research before it grew into a "personal interest."

    Authorities say some of the defendants had access to young children, though there were no reports of abuse. The Boy Scout leader also coached a youth baseball team. The rabbi home-schooled his children and others. Another person had hidden cameras used to secretly film his children's friends.

    One defendant was already on bail following his arrest last year on charges he used the Internet to direct women to record sex acts with young children. Court papers allege he "indicated the last video he had downloaded and viewed depicted a mother sexually abusing her 3- or 4-year-old child."

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    That last line you highlighted there is sooooooo fucked up.

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    I read shit like this and think I'd like to live smack in the middle of Canada as far from the human race as I could be.........
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    I'm with you, if I was wealthy enough I would buy an island and live off the grid. The world is too fucked up.

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    there are alot of really sick and twisted human beings. Pre-internet it was hard for them to find similar people. Sadly, there's plenty of chances for these people to get together now. We really need a giant pit with hungry gators in it that we can throw these people into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 47 View Post
    NEW YORK (AP) -- A police officer, a paramedic, a rabbi, a nurse and a Boy Scout leader were among at least 70 people arrested in the New York City area in recent weeks as part of a sweeping investigation into the anonymous trading of child porn over the Internet.

    Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which led a five-week investigation ending last week, planned to announce Wednesday that it resulted in charges against at least 70 men and one woman. Officials call it one of the largest local roundups ever of individual consumers of child porn, and a stark reminder that they come from all segments of society.

    Consuming child porn "is not something that is just done by unemployed drifters who live in their parent's basement," said James Hayes, ICE's New York office. "If this operation does anything, it puts the lie to the belief that the people who do this are not productive members of society."

    Advances in technology and computer capacity have allowed child-porn collectors to more easily amass vast troves of images and to exchange files with each other directly, authorities say. The cyber dragnet resulted in the seizure of nearly 600 desktop and laptop computers, tablets, smartphones and other devices containing a total of 175 terabytes of storage.

    Agents are still examining the devices to locate and catalog evidence - an arduous task that could result in more arrests. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children also will use its analysts to review the images to see if it can identify children using databases of known victims.

    "We refer to each of these images as a crime scene photo because that's exactly what they are," said John Ryan, the organization's chief executive officer.

    Authorities decided to launch the operation after the arrest in January of a former police chief in suburban Mount Pleasant, Brian Fanelli, who pleaded not guilty this week to federal charges of knowingly receiving and distributing child pornography. Court papers allege that Fanelli told investigators he began looking at child porn as research before it grew into a "personal interest."

    Authorities say some of the defendants had access to young children, though there were no reports of abuse. The Boy Scout leader also coached a youth baseball team. The rabbi home-schooled his children and others. Another person had hidden cameras used to secretly film his children's friends.

    One defendant was already on bail following his arrest last year on charges he used the Internet to direct women to record sex acts with young children. Court papers allege he "indicated the last video he had downloaded and viewed depicted a mother sexually abusing her 3- or 4-year-old child."

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    there are alot of really sick and twisted human beings. Pre-internet it was hard for them to find similar people. Sadly, there's plenty of chances for these people to get together now. We really need a giant pit with hungry gators in it that we can throw these people into.
    Also, in the pre-internet days it was less likely that we'd hear about all these sick fucks.

    That giant pit sounds like a good idea to me. Those gators will never go hungry again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkstar View Post
    I read shit like this and think I'd like to live smack in the middle of Canada as far from the human race as I could be.........
    Sadly it won't help any. As the article pointed out they are teachers, coaches, doctors ........ and you will find those even in the middle of nowhere.

    Plus you would be living in Saskatchewan.
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    I'm going to profess my unpopular opinion on this.

    There is no getting around how awful photographing a child doing these things is or worse molesting or raping a child. The damage that does to a person is probably incalculable and for me it's unfathomable.

    I also don't think a normal person just wakes up one day and says, "I'm going to rape a child today." I think these people are compelled. We also know that the abused tend to abuse. So if you really think about it, for those who are compelled, the urges toward children are probably just as strong as yours my attraction to adult men or women.

    No one wants to feel sorry for the people who act on this compulsion, and I don't either. But what a sad existence to live. I couldn't imagine living life wanting to do to a young child what I want to do to an adult woman.

    The internet has changed this in the sense that it's much easier to proliferate this material. And just like other forms of "pornography," it's free. So while at one time the demand for this material was considered just as much as a problem as the creation--because if someone is willing to buy it someone will be willing to make it--the creation of this material has sort of been disconnected from the demand for it. That said, there is damage that is being done every time someone looks at these photos in a sexual way--it's not just the damage of being depicted in these photos. Under law, a victim must be compensated each time this happens. But as Justice Alito put it, "Once images of sexual abuse have been viewed 1,000 times, is it even theoretically possible to assess the damage caused by the 1,001st viewing?"

    What I am getting to is this. As it stands today, someone can spend more time in jail for possessing child pornography than actually raping a child. In the last 10 years, congress has doubled the jail time for these cases.

    In the case where the Alito quote comes from, a young girl was raped by her uncle repeatedly starting at age 8. He photographed what he did and those photos have made their way to the internet. Just possessing one of these photos means 5 mandatory years in prison. But we've also added stiff penalties for using a computer, swapping photos, and possessing more than 600 images. That last one occurs easily as videos are counted as multiple photos by frame. This would put someone in jail for 20 or more mandatory years.

    By contrast, the person who did the raping and photographing faces a maximum of 10 years.

    In other words, often times having never touched a child but having some child pornography on one's computer means a much harsher prison sentence than actually raping a child and photographing it.

    There is no good here. In fact, it's all kinds of bad. But shouldn't the actual child rapists get a harsher sentence than the people who look at it years later on their computer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    I also don't think a normal person just wakes up one day and says, "I'm going to rape a child today." I think these people are compelled. We also know that the abused tend to abuse. So if you really think about it, for those who are compelled, the urges toward children are probably just as strong as yours my attraction to adult men or women.
    Right, a normal person does not wake up one day and say "I'm going to rape a child today." Come to think of it, normal person doesn't wake up and say "I'm going to rape (anyone) today."

    But their urges toward children involve abuse, exploitation, RAPE!! Those are NOT the same urges I have towards women. I think I understand what you're trying to say, perhaps that they are simply attracted to children and I am attracted to women. But, I don't think the attraction itself is the same.

    And as far as the unfair prison sentences....it's not on top of my priority list of things that need improvement. If I had it my way, the pedophiles would be put to death--but that's entirely different subject that we already covered in another thread.
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    I can feel sympathy for a person getting charged for watching porn depicting two 17 year olds going at it. Still illegal but I can feel bad for the person who makes that mistake.


    But 3 and 4 year old kids???!!!!


    Don't these scumbags have a single fibre in their body that gives them a sensory nerve response that tips them off that watching shit like that is just plain WRONG?!?!?

    I know most of these guys are sick but seeing how some of these guys have professional jobs that require GOOD JUDGEMENT, I just can't fathom how they can't resist that urge. It's beyond fuckin comprehension.

    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    In other words, often times having never touched a child but having some child pornography on one's computer means a much harsher prison sentence than actually raping a child and photographing it.

    There is no good here. In fact, it's all kinds of bad. But shouldn't the actual child rapists get a harsher sentence than the people who look at it years later on their computer?
    While I do think that having these sick fucks away from a computer and in a jail cell is a good thing, Ive often thought the same thing.

    I don't know if Im right in assuming this. Maybe another fellow Canuck can enlighten me...

    Here the age of consent is 16 meaning if you are 16 or older you can consent to having sex with somebody your age or older. Right?

    Yet the definition of child pornography in Canada is the depiction of anybody under the age of 18 engaging in a sexual act.


    So does this mean, technically, that if two 16 or 17 year olds have sex and video tape it, they would be in possession of child pornography?

    So this means its legal for a 16 year old to consent to having sex with a 45 year old, but if they decide to tape it...boom theyre in possession of child porn?

    Makes no sense to me. Either both acts are illegal or legal.





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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy812 View Post
    Right, a normal person does not wake up one day and say "I'm going to rape a child today." Come to think of it, normal person doesn't wake up and say "I'm going to rape (anyone) today."

    But their urges toward children involve abuse, exploitation, RAPE!! Those are NOT the same urges I have towards women. I think I understand what you're trying to say, perhaps that they are simply attracted to children and I am attracted to women. But, I don't think the attraction itself is the same.

    And as far as the unfair prison sentences....it's not on top of my priority list of things that need improvement. If I had it my way, the pedophiles would be put to death--but that's entirely different subject that we already covered in another thread.
    Yes, what I am saying is that, for many of them, they are attracted to children like you and I are attracted to women. I am sure not all of them are compelled in that manner, but for those that are, could you imagine if you weren't sexually satisfied unless it were with a child? I can't imagine what living like that would be like.

    And for them, they know that as soon as they act on their desires, they are criminals and will ruin someone's life. Rightfully so, people who act on this compulsion should be punished, just like anyone who rapes anyone, probably even more so because it's a child.

    The problem with the prison sentences is that I don't think we should imply through the justice system that looking at a picture depicting a child in a sexual manner is twice as bad as actually raping that child. There is nuance here, even if it is all disgusting. I'm sure most of us would agree that, while it's all awful, actually raping a child is much, much worse.

    On a side note, we're also too quick to judge people on this stuff and assume they're guilty. A local (and good) high school teacher was arrested on charges of child pornography. His name and face were on the front page of the paper. He was put on leave. If you read the paper, he was never heard from again.

    Knowing someone who knows him, I know that the charges were dropped. He took his computer into a repair shop, and someone there for some reason dumped his own collection onto the teacher's computer. This all came out later, but never made the newspaper. He was completely cleared, had to move away, and is apparently a great teacher somewhere else.

    But as far as most people know in my community, he is a teacher who liked looking at children being raped. That's pretty sad too.

    Until these people are convicted, we should be careful about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    While I do think that having these sick fucks away from a computer and in a jail cell is a good thing, Ive often thought the same thing.

    I don't know if Im right in assuming this. Maybe another fellow Canuck can enlighten me...

    Here the age of consent is 16 meaning if you are 16 or older you can consent to having sex with somebody your age or older. Right?

    Yet the definition of child pornography in Canada is the depiction of anybody under the age of 18 engaging in a sexual act.


    So does this mean, technically, that if two 16 or 17 year olds have sex and video tape it, they would be in possession of child pornography?

    So this means its legal for a 16 year old to consent to having sex with a 45 year old, but if they decide to tape it...boom theyre in possession of child porn?

    Makes no sense to me. Either both acts are illegal or legal.





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    This exact scenario played out in Nebraska. Now, I'm not saying there is integrity all around here, but take the scenario for what it is.

    There was a high school teacher named Todd Senters who was 28 who began dating a 17-year old student at his school. The age of consent in Nebraska is 16, so there was nothing illegal about their relationship, though I would guess the school had a rule against this.

    Anyway, one day at his apartment, he and his girlfriend decided to have sex and video tape it. Senters' roommate found it, alerted the school, and then somehow the police were notified.

    Under Nebraska law, it is unlawful for "a person to knowingly make, publish, direct, create, provide, or in any manner generate any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct which has a child as one of its participants or portrayed observers." Under this law, a child is defined as being under 18.

    So while the sex act between the two was not illegal, the tape was, and Senters was convicted of being a child pornographer. If you google his name, he comes up on the first page of results as being a convicted sex offender in Nebraska.

    Now, I am not arguing that he made a great decision sleeping with a student, but if he were not a teacher and quit the day they decided to be an item, the result would have been the same.

    So in Nebraska, remember that you can legally have sex with a girl who is 17, but if you tape it, you're a child pornographer. Well, that's fucking dumb. Make consent 18, make a child under 16, but two different definitions is idiotic.

    That's not even getting into 16 year old girls who take a nude picture and sent it to their 17 year old boyfriends and the girl becomes a child pornographer and the boyfriend is in possession of child porn.

 

 

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