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    I have seen a good amount of EBMM's on eBay lately that have been refinished in some way. Some have had the color changed, others have had parts replaced, etc. I do not own one, and have no experience with these guitars or their value, but I would like to get one down the road. What type of work would hurt their value, and how much is a fair price for one with work done to it? Thanks for your help, and I apologize if this has been previously posted.

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    I've had three EVHs. I simply had to get new bridge saddles, as the old ones were pitted and grooved. I went with String Savers. But since I'll never ever sell it, I don't care about its resale value. A refinish isn't necessarily bad, but I'd think a color change would be, especially if you had to redo the headstock, which was originally done with a silkscreen, but would have to be redone with a water decal. I've replaced the toggle switch in my blue EVH twice in 16 yrs., but got the parts from EBMM. Those pickups are very special. I have a friend who had one go out and EBMM would not replace it until he mailed them the bad one, no matter what he offered to pay. Mine will be due for a refret soon and I'll probably go with stainless steel. I have added a big brass block on bridge too. I just don't care, as no one else will own this guitar until I'm dead. Anyway, they're not commanding great prices at the moment, so it's a good time to get one.

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    Personally, I would avoid anything but an all original EBMM EVH. The value of that guitar is as a collector piece, and modifications hurt the value. If you want it for yourself, and never plan to sell it, and mods don't bother you, no biggie. However, if resale value is a concern, the less mods the better.

    The fact that the Axis is nearly identical to the EVH, and is still commercially available also hurts the value of a modded EVH. I would not under any circumstances, pay more for a modded EVH than I would for a new Axis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobozos View Post
    Personally, I would avoid anything but an all original EBMM EVH. The value of that guitar is as a collector piece, and modifications hurt the value. If you want it for yourself, and never plan to sell it, and mods don't bother you, no biggie. However, if resale value is a concern, the less mods the better.

    The fact that the Axis is nearly identical to the EVH, and is still commercially available also hurts the value of a modded EVH. I would not under any circumstances, pay more for a modded EVH than I would for a new Axis.
    I couldn't have said it better myself.

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    I guess I have to chime in here too. I also see some of these refinish EBMM EVH axes and I must say.... wow they do look nice especially the green and pink ones but I also would stay with the 100 percent stock EVHs. They just have that collectors value and not to mention the mojo of Music mans craftmanship. I have owned axis's and original EVHs and I own an original amber and blue (both trans quilt) EVH right now and having them 100% original is the best way to go when your dealing with EVH music mans.

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    I guess it depends on why you want the guitar. If it's just to sock away under the bed as an investment or to play at home only once in a while, then all stock is fine. I gig with my guitars, so I need to them to be super reliable. My bridge saddles were in very bad shape. My frets look like I ran a file down a few of them perpendicularly, there are some scratches on the headstock from countless string changes and, like EVH himself, I like the big brass block. Since I'll never own a non-player guitar, I'd always prefer to buy one that's set up the way I like it rather than get a bone stock one and then have to tweak it to fit my needs. I have an Axis tribute that is every bit as well-built as my EVH, it comes stock with a big brass block and the finish has the UV blocker in it already. I'd prefer the toggle switch were in the same location as on the EVH, but for less money, it's every bit as good a guitar.

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    I'm not one to buy something to keep it as a collectors item with the intention of selling it later. I would get the EBMM to jam with friends, play on my own, and basically just play it as much as possible (as I do with the guitars I own now). I wouldn't necessarily buy one just bc of the EVH sig, especially considering how great the Axis is, but if an EVH came up with a reasonable price, I wanted to have more background and knowledge to help me make an educated purchase.

    I do very much appreciate the feedback here so far. Certainly very helpful for whenever I decide to to pull the trigger on an EVH or Axis (which I have played before and liked)

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    The negative to buying an un-modded one is some of the colors fade pretty bad.
    I, personally, bought an AXIS. Don't care whose signature is on it. Love it still and my purple has not faded...not sure if method of dying the guitar changed.

    If you want an EVH and want it to stay looking good, I'd get a modded one. Especially if you are not going to resell for a profit.

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    Yes, they started adding a UV blocker in the dye or stain late in the EVH runs. I bought one at the GC in Hollywood in 1996 with a killer quilt that had been purple and had faded to a weird kind of grey/green. I assume it was from hanging in a store window or at just a height that the body got all the sunlight, but the headstock stayed purple. My blue one has a slight hint of green in it now, but I make sure to always have its back facing the window in my guitar room and those blinds are always down.

    I started a thread a few weeks ago asking how/why it was dangerous to remove all the strings at once on an EVH. There has been some talk that doing so could "ruin" the neck due to lack of tension. I don't believe it at all, but I haven't read about that being an issue with the Axis line. I really think an Axis is every bit as good a guitar as the EVH, if not better.

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    I've seen a lot of faded red, gold and purple EVHs. My purple axis has not faded at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Lee View Post
    I started a thread a few weeks ago asking how/why it was dangerous to remove all the strings at once on an EVH. There has been some talk that doing so could "ruin" the neck due to lack of tension. I don't believe it at all, but I haven't read about that being an issue with the Axis line. I really think an Axis is every bit as good a guitar as the EVH, if not better.
    I've been thinking about that thread again- I'm wondering if they were concerned about warping because the neck was unfinished? US peavey wolf necks are un finished and they have the dual rods in the neck- the korean ones dont have them. I thought that was because they were cheaper but apparently its because they dont need the added protection due to the neck being finished.
    If I remember right, the EB MM doesnt have a finished neck or rods so that might be why the restinging thingy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WDFA5150 View Post
    I've been thinking about that thread again- I'm wondering if they were concerned about warping because the neck was unfinished? US peavey wolf necks are un finished and they have the dual rods in the neck- the korean ones dont have them. I thought that was because they were cheaper but apparently its because they dont need the added protection due to the neck being finished.
    If I remember right, the EB MM doesnt have a finished neck or rods so that might be why the restinging thingy?
    Neither the EVH or Wolfgang guitars have unfinished necks (stock).

    I have necks with the Graphite rods... it makes them rock solid and tuning-stable even with weather changes. Even with those, I'd still not recommend changing strings by taking them all off any guitar. That's almost a sure fire way to mess up your setup. So unless you like doing or having done a full setup every time you change strings, just change them one at a time. It's not like it's any harder to do it that way.

    About necks being DAMAGED by taking all the strings off... I know it's theoretically possible -- especially if the neck is designed to have the operating range of the truss rod pretty cranked (I'm assuming the EBMM EVH is this way). But I haven't really heard of it happening first hand and having a neck split apart or warp beyond repair.

    It's a balancing forces thing -- wood is not at all rigid, and it bends a lot more than you would think. Strings put tremendous force on a neck, and the neck itself + the truss rod have to counter that massive force. So quickly removing all that force from one side (the strings) and not loosening a truss rod (the opposing force) WILL put a strain on the neck wood. Will that be a permanent issue or cause damage? Again, possibly -- maybe not at all.

    Again, just change your strings one at a time, and you don't have to wonder about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjstudios View Post
    Neither the EVH or Wolfgang guitars have unfinished necks (stock).
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