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    http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/30/us/okl...hed-execution/

    OK even if you are pro death penalty, this has got to be a bit disturbing. But what's more disturbing to me is that as I listened to holier than thou Rachel Maddow going on and on about this last night, my reaction to her outrage was....hmmpf. I should think that this should be more troubling to me, that an inmate scheduled for execution had the drugs administered in such a way as to be largely ineffective, and the officials halted the execution but it ended with the inmate suffering before succumbing to a heart attack.

    but I kept thinking...that is the same man that shot a 19 year old girl with a sawed off shotgun while burglarizing her home....she certainly suffered, because she didn't die immediately, if fact she was bound gagged then buried alive.

    So I think, if the punishment is supposed to fit the crime, in this case it did.

    and Maddow kept going on about the "experimental nature" of the drug cocktail and the fact that the prison officials administered them without knowing what the results would be....and I think, this guy pretty much knew what the results of a blast from a sawed off shotgun would be, and what the results of being buried alive would be and HE showed no mercy...at least the prison officials were TRYING to bring about death in a way so as to minimize suffering

    maybe we should go back to the firing squad....I don't know but what one side of me is telling me about this execution and what the other side says are two different things

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    Oklahoma’s secrecy laws make it impossible to know anything beyond the names of the ingredients injected into the condemned prisoner. The state has declined to provide the public with reasons for selecting a particular drug cocktail, or with any details about the drugs themselves, or about the supplier. The state reportedly buys the drugs with petty cash, to make the purchases more difficult to track and, therefore, harder to legally challenge.

    What is known, though, is that, ten minutes into Lockett’s execution, a prison official told a doctor, “Go ahead and check to see if he’s unconscious.”

    After checking, the doctor said, “Mr. Lockett is not unconscious.”

    “I’m not,” Lockett said.

    Courtney Francisco, a reporter for KFOR-TV, in Oklahoma City, was one of the witnesses at the execution. She told the BBC that Lockett, strapped to the gurney, was moving his arms and legs and mumbling, “as if he was trying to talk.”

    McBride’s tweets told the rest of the story:

    “He was conscious and blinking, licking his lips even after the process began. He then began to seize.”

    “At 6:33 the doctor said Lockett was unconscious and then at 6:34 Lockett began to nod, mumble move body.”

    (Witnesses reported that Lockett seemed to try to sit up. At one point he said, “Man.” Observers heard a prison official say, “Something’s wrong,” and then the blinds on the observation window were closed, and the witnesses were led out.)

    “Checking to see the status of Lockett and whether he is alive or dead or in transport to the hospital.”

    “Sedated 7 minutes into execution, at that time began pushing 2nd and 3rd drugs. Some concern drugs were not having an effect.”

    “7:06 inmate Clayton Lockett suffered heart attack and died.”

    “Prison Director has stayed execution for (the second inmate) Charles Warner for 14 days.”

    “Lockett’s vein blew during the execution preventing the chemicals from effectively entering his body.”

    One of Lockett’s lawyers, a witness, later told reporters, “It looked like torture.”

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    So they tried to put him to death and he eventually died. Doesn't sound botched at all, IMO.

    On a larger note, the death penalty process and the way it is administered is really strange. Up until they are put to death, they are on suicide watch. No joke.

    They keep acting like finding drugs to kill these guys are difficult to find and administer properly, yet heroin addicts die everyday with a needle in their arm. Why is this that hard?
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    Pretty sure a 40+ minute heart attack intentionally inflicted by the government would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment. I'm anti-death penalty, but this is something we all should be able to agree on.

    The bigger issue here is what surrounded this. In OK the drug cocktail is secret. The state Supreme Court stayed the execution because of the argument that we don't know if it is cruel and unusual if we don't know what they use and how they kill them.

    The governor issued an executive order ignoring the courts to go through with the execution. The legislature started the ball rolling on impeaching the five judges.

    The judges bowed to the pressure and allowed the execution to go forward.

    Then this secret concoction caused a 40+ minute heart attack.
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    TOO BAD, SO SAD...
    A lawyer said Lockett had effectively been "tortured to death".

    The reason behind his demise...

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    Clayton Lockett was sentenced to death following the shocking murder of Stephanie Nieman, 19.

    She was kidnapped, shot twice and buried alive in 1999 a month after she graduated from high school.

    Lockett was involved in a botched raid on a house with two other men belonging to Bobby Bornt when Miss Neiman and another 19-year-old woman walked in.

    Reports from the time said that Mr Bornt owed Lockett money and that he was tied up and beaten during the ordeal.

    Miss Neiman's friend was dragged into the house and hit in the face with a shotgun.

    Under duress, the friend then called Miss Neiman into the home and she was also hit in the face with the gun.

    Her friend was raped by all three men before they were taken to a rural part of Kay County, Oklahoma

    Lockett told them that he was going to kill them all but shot Miss Neiman twice when she refused to give her keys and pickup's alarm code.

    When she was shot dead, she was stood in a shallow grave that had been dug by one of Lockett's accomplices, Shawn Mathis. He told Lockett that Miss Neiman was still alive, but Lockett ordered Mathis to bury her.

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    Stephanie Neiman was proud of her shiny new Chevy truck with the Tasmanian Devil sticker on it and a matching “Tazz” license plate. Her parents had taught the teenager to stand up for “what was her right and for what she believed in.”

    Neiman was dropping off a friend at a Perry residence on June 3, 1999, the same evening Clayton Lockett and two accomplices decided to pull a home invasion robbery there. Neiman fought Lockett when he tried to take the keys to her truck.

    The men beat her and used duct tape to bind her hands and cover her mouth. Even after being kidnapped and driven to a dusty country road, Neiman didn’t back down when Lockett asked if she planned to contact police.

    The men had also beaten and kidnapped Neiman’s friend along with Bobby Bornt, who lived in the residence, and Bornt’s 9-month-old baby.

    Steve and Susie Neiman asked jurors to give Lockett the death penalty for taking the life of their only child, who had graduated from Perry High School two weeks before her death.

    Lockett later told police “he decided to kill Stephanie because she would not agree to keep quiet,” court records state.

    Neiman was forced to watch as Lockett’s accomplice, Shawn Mathis, spent 20 minutes digging a shallow grave in a ditch beside the road. Her friends saw Neiman standing in the ditch and heard a single shot.
    Lockett returned to the truck because the gun had jammed. He later said he could hear Neiman pleading, “Oh God, please, please” as he fixed the shotgun.

    The men could be heard “laughing about how tough Stephanie was” before Lockett shot Neiman a second time.

    “He ordered Mathis to bury her, despite the fact that Mathis informed him Stephanie was still alive.”

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    09-Apr-2013
    The 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the death sentence given to convicted murderer Clayton Darrell Lockett, of Ponca City, Oklahoma. Lockett was convicted in August 2000 of the first degree murder of 19-year-old Stephanie Nieman. Lockett was also sentenced to more than 2,285 years in prison for associated non-capital crimes occurring that night, including assault with a dangerous weapon, burglary, first degree rape, and kidnapping.

    A jury found that on June 3, 1999, Clayton Lockett and two co-conspirators, Shawn Mathis and Alfonso Lockett, broke into the Perry, Oklahoma, home of Bobby Bornt. They assaulted Bornt before burglarizing his home for drugs. While they were at Bornt's home, two 19-year-old women arrived. The men repeatedly raped and assaulted one woman, whose name is withheld as a victim of sexual assault, before loading Bornt, Bornt's 9-month-old son, Stephanie Nieman, and the other woman into Bornt's and Nieman's trucks and driving them to a rural location in Kay County.

    Bornt testified that he heard Clayton Locket say, "Someone has got to go," before he put Nieman in a ditch dug by Shawn Mathis and shot her twice. He also testified to hearing the men laugh about "how tough [Nieman] was" when she did not die after the first shot.

    Bornt and the other victim believe they were spared because they have children; however, both testified to hearing Lockett plan to kill them and take Bornt's infant son to either a shelter or Bornt's parents' house.

    Clayton Lockett was found to be the instigator of all crimes that evening. According to court documents, State's evidence included a videotaped confession by Locket in which he "confessed to going to Mr. Bornt’s home to rob him; to personally hitting and beating Mr. Bornt, [name withheld], and Ms. Neiman with his fists or with the shotgun; to binding the victims with duct tape; to planning to kill all three adult victims; to forcing them (along with the baby) to leave Mr. Bornt’s house and go to the country, where the adults were to be killed; to taking Ms. Neiman’s and Mr. Bornt’s trucks; to being the ultimate decision maker as to which victims would be killed; to instructing Mr. Mathis on how to dig the grave; to personally shooting Ms. Neiman while she cried; to threatening to kill them if they told anyone of his crimes; and to insisting that his accomplices bury Ms. Neiman when he knew she was still alive." He was convicted of 19 felony counts:
    ■Conspiracy (Count 1)
    ■First Degree Burglary (Count 2)
    ■Assault with a Dangerous Weapon (Counts 3, 4 and 5)
    ■Forcible Oral Sodomy (counts 6, 15, and 16)
    ■First Degree Rape (Counts 7, 8, 9, and 14)
    ■Kidnapping (Counts 10, 11, 12, and 13)
    ■Robbery by Force and Fear (Counts 17 and 18)
    ■Murder in the First Degree (Count 19)

    Despite the evidence against him and the videotaped confession, Lockett appealed his conviction and sentence on 15 grounds, including a victims' impact statement in which Nieman's family pleaded for his death, submission of testimony regarding Lockett's abusive upbringing, and a defense attorney who acknowledged his client's guilt without Lockett's consent. Court documents reveal, "Mr. Lockett’s trial counsel did not present a defense. In his opening statement, counsel told the jury that Mr. Lockett had no defense. He referred to the prosecutor’s statement that the jury would have 'no doubt, not just beyond a reasonable doubt, but no doubt' of Mr. Lockett’s guilt and conceded that the prosecutor was right."

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    Man convicted of woman's death
    Posted: Friday, August 25, 2000

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    PERRY (AP) - A Ponca City man has been convicted of first-degree murder and 18 other counts involving a crime spree that left Stephanie Nieman dead and two other people injured.

    A Noble County jury deliberated more than three hours Wednesday before returning the guilty verdicts for Clayton Derrell Lockett, 24.

    The penalty phase of the trial began Thursday and was expected to continue until early next week.

    The spree in June 1999 began when Lockett and two others forced their way into Bobby Bornt's residence in Perry, police said. Nieman, 19, of Perry and another 19-year-old from Perry arrived at the home and were accosted by the men and had their hands bound with duct tape. One of the women was raped. Authorities said the women did not know the suspects.

    Bornt, his 9-month-old son, and the two women were taken to a location in Kay County where Neiman was shot. Police said the others were put back in trucks, driven back to Perry and released. The child was not harmed.

    Neiman's body was found in a shallow grave along a dirt road near Tonkawa. One of the suspects led police to the body.

    The woman's two friends have said they believed they were allowed to live because they had children.

    In addition to the murder charge, Lockett was found guilty of conspiracy, first-degree burglary, three counts of assault with a dangerous weapon, three counts of forcible oral sodomy, four counts of first-degree rape, four counts of kidnapping and two counts of robbery by force and fear. The charges were after former convictions of two or more felonies, according to the court clerk's office.

    Alfonzo LaRon Veasey Lockett, 19, of Ponca City and Shawn C. Mathis, 27, also have been ordered held for trial in Neiman's death. The Locketts are cousins from Ponca City.

    The three were arrested at Mathis' home in Enid.
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    I find it interesting that many on the right—alleged constitutionalists—seem to ignore the eighth amendment.

    If a 40+ minute heart attack is okay, why not drag them behind a truck on a gravely road and then feed them to the dogs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Pretty sure a 40+ minute heart attack intentionally inflicted by the government would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment. I'm anti-death penalty, but this is something we all should be able to agree on.

    The bigger issue here is what surrounded this. In OK the drug cocktail is secret. The state Supreme Court stayed the execution because of the argument that we don't know if it is cruel and unusual if we don't know what they use and how they kill them.

    The governor issued an executive order ignoring the courts to go through with the execution. The legislature started the ball rolling on impeaching the five judges.

    The judges bowed to the pressure and allowed the execution to go forward.

    Then this secret concoction caused a 40+ minute heart attack.
    Let's face it, the death penalty isn't instituted as a deterrant, it's instituted as a punishment. In this case, his crime still outweighed the punishment, so I still don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.

    As for the cocktail being secret, they likely do that to keep the manufacturers confidential.

    From what I heard yesterday, they weren't even sure it was the drug cocktail's fault. They thought his veins had burst which caused the drugs to not be absorbed completely into his bloodstream, but I don't know if that's true or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    Let's face it, the death penalty isn't instituted as a deterrant, it's instituted as a punishment. In this case, his crime still outweighed the punishment, so I still don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.



    As for the cocktail being secret, they likely do that to keep the manufacturers confidential.



    From what I heard yesterday, they weren't even sure it was the drug cocktail's fault. They thought his veins had burst which caused the drugs to not be absorbed completely into his bloodstream, but I don't know if that's true or not.

    To me, killing is only moral in self defense or in war (which is a form of self defense). Otherwise it's wrong no matter who does it. The death penalty is organized revenge killing that's lawful only because the government does it.

    You're correct in that it is not a deterrent. Murder is committed for three reasons and none of them are deterred by death. So it's just there for revenge. Life in prison is punishment.

    IMO, the death penalty brings society closer to the people it is exterminating, not further away.

    If we're going to do it, it shouldn't be cruel and unusual no matter how angry we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    OK even if you are pro death penalty, this has got to be a bit disturbing.
    I am...and no it's not. I wish more executions were "botched" like this.

    As long as the executee is absolutely without a doubt guilty, then, execute away!

    And, NO, my views do not make me closer to the people being executed. They chose to kill innocent people. I am in favor of killing people who are beyond a doubt guilty of heinous, violent crimes against innocent people. Call it "revenge killing," call it whatever you want. They should be thankful that these executions are normally performed as humanely as possible, which is a helluva lot more than I can say about their victims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    I find it interesting that many on the right—alleged constitutionalists—seem to ignore the eighth amendment.

    If a 40+ minute heart attack is okay, why not drag them behind a truck on a gravely road and then feed them to the dogs?
    geez..what the fuck did those poor dogs do to deserve that?

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    Unfortunately, fear of capital punishment has really lost its bite.

    I've been thinking about how to restore the reality of consequences for murder, anyone here see a problem with the following scenario?

    It would require a dramatic change in our justice system in regards to MURDER only.

    In cases where there are witnesses and where evidence is irrefutable, death should happen immediately - as in "within 24 hours".

    However, for many cases, it's just not that simple. Many times there are no witnesses and we see many examples of exoneration after many years due to contaminated evidence and/or new evidence.

    However - in those cases where it is "slam-dunk", i.e. "the security camera caught you scoping out a robbery, pulling a gun, demanding money, shooting the clerk, leaving your finger prints on the counter, then fleeing" . . . after the gavel falls, you have 24 hours before eating your last meal - no appeal.

    This would create a very present reality for these people. Perhaps it may just make them more sneaky, but then again, perhaps it may just causes them to realize it's not worth the effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister T. View Post
    Unfortunately, fear of capital punishment has really lost its bite.

    In cases where there are witnesses and where evidence is irrefutable, death should happen immediately - as in "within 24 hours".

    However - in those cases where it is "slam-dunk", i.e. "the security camera caught you scoping out a robbery, pulling a gun, demanding money, shooting the clerk, leaving your finger prints on the counter, then fleeing" . . . after the gavel falls, you have 24 hours before eating your last meal - no appeal.

    This would create a very present reality for these people. Perhaps it may just make them more sneaky, but then again, perhaps it may just causes them to realize it's not worth the effort.
    As much as I like your proposal, it's unrealistic. Never happen. Damn lawyers!!

    You're absolutely correct in that capital punishment has lost its bite, unless, I'd guess, if you lived in Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Missouri (those are the "most active" states). But the appeals process is so drawn out that the convict isn't put to death for 10-25 years! That's ridiculous, especially if it's an open and shut case--like the scumbag home invaders in Cheshire, CT where they literally ran into the cops trying to get away! CT has abolished the death penalty, but those 2 cocksuckers are supposedly grand-fathered in to still get it. Although I highly doubt they'll ever be strapped down for death..unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    I find it interesting that many on the right—alleged constitutionalists—seem to ignore the eighth amendment.

    If a 40+ minute heart attack is okay, why not drag them behind a truck on a gravely road and then feed them to the dogs?
    I would probably fit the people you describe. That being said, if this fucker did this to my daughter, sister, mother, or friend, I'm driving that truck with a smile on my face. Heck, that would be the least of his worries.

    Everyone has their own definition of cruel and unusual punishment, which is why the courts are always hearing cases on it. In my personal opinion, the punishment should never outweigh the crime. In this case, the guy still got off easier than the trauma he caused.

    I believe in an afterlife, so I hope he is ultimately punished for his deeds there, but if the majority of us are wrong, and we and our thoughts are just a bunch of atoms that decay into something else when we die, then I'm glad this guy got a taste--however brief--of the horror that he gleefully caused.

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    Nine countries are currently executing prisoners:

    Bangladesh, China, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, USA.

    The only way, with 100% certainty, to not execute innocent people is to abolish the death penalty.

    As of March, 2014, 117 people have been freed from death row since 1973. Since 1984, we've averaged one person per year executed who were later found to be innocent.

    For those who think inmates on death row are probably guilty of "something," one need only look at the case of Anthony Porter of Illinois who was exonerated by students at Northwestern University 2 days before execution. Porter never harmed anyone before, yet is Black and mentally handicapped—typically a magnetic combination for law enforcement.

    Unfortunately, in many states, exculpatory evidence has a deadline, which makes someone like Porter one of the lucky ones.

    So we know that the death penalty means that innocent people have died and will continue to die at the hands of the state in the name of "justice."

    The only way to 100% prevent innocent people from dying is not to kill prisoners.

    The only conclusion one can come to, then, is that to be in favor of the death penalty is to be in favor of the innocent "collateral damage" in order to accomplish it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister T. View Post

    In cases where there are witnesses and where evidence is irrefutable, death should happen immediately - as in "within 24 hours".


    However - in those cases where it is "slam-dunk", i.e. "the security camera caught you scoping out a robbery, pulling a gun, demanding money, shooting the clerk, leaving your finger prints on the counter, then fleeing" . . . after the gavel falls, you have 24 hours before eating your last meal - no appeal.

    This would create a very present reality for these people. Perhaps it may just make them more sneaky, but then again, perhaps it may just causes them to realize it's not worth the effort.

    I could live with the above

 

 

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