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    Gonna go through my clean channel on my Line 6 120. I know I know garbage. But anyway. I just a new Wampler pinnacle, EVH Phaser, and EVH Flanger. Which order should they be in prior to entering the amp? Oh there is a tuner in between as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanStreet 5150 View Post
    Gonna go through my clean channel on my Line 6 120. I know I know garbage. But anyway. I just a new Wampler pinnacle, EVH Phaser, and EVH Flanger. Which order should they be in prior to entering the amp? Oh there is a tuner in between as well.
    Guitar --> Wampler --> Flanger --> Phaser --> Tuner --> Amp.

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    Thanks brother going to hook it up now

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    I understand Kevin's reasoning, but I'd recommend:

    Guitar -> Tuner -> Phaser -> Flanger -> Pinnacle -> Amp.

    Reason being that if you're going after Ed's Phase and Flange sounds he always had those in front of the amp, and the Pinnacle is acting as an "amp in a box" in front of your amp's clean channel. So, putting the phaser and flanger before the Pinnacle will get you closer to Ed's sounds. I also personally think phase after dirt typically doesn't go well, that's my experience with the Wampler paisley drive and a '74 Phase 90 at least.

    By the way, phase into flange or flange into phase doesn't typically matter unless you're running both at the same time. Sometimes Phase 90s will cause a volume drop if they're not seeing an impedance they like, and switching some pedal orders can fix that. So if you experience a drop, try switching your phaser and flanger to see what happens, or putting your tuner after the Pinnacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi McFly View Post
    I understand Kevin's reasoning, but I'd recommend:

    Guitar -> Tuner -> Phaser -> Flanger -> Pinnacle -> Amp.

    Reason being that if you're going after Ed's Phase and Flange sounds he always had those in front of the amp, and the Pinnacle is acting as an "amp in a box" in front of your amp's clean channel. So, putting the phaser and flanger before the Pinnacle will get you closer to Ed's sounds. I also personally think phase after dirt typically doesn't go well, that's my experience with the Wampler paisley drive and a '74 Phase 90 at least.

    By the way, phase into flange or flange into phase doesn't typically matter unless you're running both at the same time. Sometimes Phase 90s will cause a volume drop if they're not seeing an impedance they like, and switching some pedal orders can fix that. So if you experience a drop, try switching your phaser and flanger to see what happens, or putting your tuner after the Pinnacle.
    I agree with this too...No offence to anyone else's setup...Just works best for me.
    I always think of it in terms of how dramatic the effect is.
    A Phaser...in an early EVH type tone example.....You could almost leave it on. The Flanger is a much deeper effect that significantly shifts the frequency ranges, and also adds regeneration. A Phaser on the other hand, though it also shifts frequencies, it's more subtle...At least through the amps' front end.
    I use a Dunlop Univibe set somewhat transparently, almost emulating the Phase type sound in a lot of my work, and if I wanna hit the Flanger, it also sweeps the subtle phaser tone in front of it and works very nicely.
    If in my case, I put the Flanger ahead of the Phaser, then I get some weird overtones when I hit the Flanger if the Phaser is engaged, so I lose harmonics sometimes.
    It's kinda like if you put a wah ahead of a distortion or overdrive pedal.
    It's sweeping the frequency before distortion, and has a more rounded natural sound, as the gain stage of your amp is still producing it's own character and harmonic overtones to the signal. If you have the overdrive ahead of the wah, or the wah through the effects loop, then you are shifting the entire overdriven signal which can sound cool in the right application, but it's very distinctive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Dodds View Post
    Guitar --> Wampler --> Flanger --> Phaser --> Tuner --> Amp.

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    That's the complete opposite of what I have going. Mine is:


    Guitar--> Tuner --> Phase 90 --> Flanger --> Chorus --> Delay --> Amp
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    Obviously, there are lots of different schools of thought here!

    I feel like there are some general rules, but it can vary by setup and by preference, clearly.

    My typical pedal setup is:

    Blues Driver --> Wah --> Octave Fuzz --> Octave --> Delay --> Flanger --> Chorus --> Phaser --> Tuner (when it's working).

    I stopped using my clean channel years ago, and play generally dirty and pull back on the volume knob for a clean-ish tone. When I need a boost for solos, I hit the driver.

    The tone-based pedals go first an in order of severity of the effect. I would never want to distort my wah pedal, I want it to wah my distorted tone. I would never use the driver and the Octave Fuzz together, and I would never use an Octave Fuzz and a wah at the same time, so the OF comes after the wah. The regular octave pedal obviously goes after the OF.

    Delay in the middle because #1) You'd never ever want to distort your delay -- again you delay your distorted tone; and #2) You'd never want to delay your "color", you want to "color" your delay.

    Then you set up your "color" pedals. Flanger most severe, chorus second most severe, phaser third most severe. You don't want to change the tone of your color -- you always want to color your tone.

    I put the tuner dead last because the idea of putting anything between my guitar and my actual effects gives me the heebeegeebees.

    I hope that makes sense.

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    Thanks guys, all hooked up but no sound. Hmmmmmm kind of strange.

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    I have checked every setting and I get nothing. Going from the amp to the pedals thne from the pedals to the amp. No other way to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanStreet 5150 View Post
    I have checked every setting and I get nothing. Going from the amp to the pedals thne from the pedals to the amp. No other way to do it.
    You have a dead battery, dead power adapter, or a dead cable.

    Or a dead amp.

    Or a dead output jack!

    Start with just the guitar and the amp and add back just one pedal at a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi McFly View Post
    I understand Kevin's reasoning, but I'd recommend:

    Guitar -> Tuner -> Phaser -> Flanger -> Pinnacle -> Amp.

    Reason being that if you're going after Ed's Phase and Flange sounds he always had those in front of the amp, and the Pinnacle is acting as an "amp in a box" in front of your amp's clean channel. So, putting the phaser and flanger before the Pinnacle will get you closer to Ed's sounds. I also personally think phase after dirt typically doesn't go well, that's my experience with the Wampler paisley drive and a '74 Phase 90 at least.

    By the way, phase into flange or flange into phase doesn't typically matter unless you're running both at the same time. Sometimes Phase 90s will cause a volume drop if they're not seeing an impedance they like, and switching some pedal orders can fix that. So if you experience a drop, try switching your phaser and flanger to see what happens, or putting your tuner after the Pinnacle.
    Agreed- If you were using these pedals with a high gain amp they'd be run in the front so I'd be using that mentality for the distortion box. Phased drive sounds better the driven phase if you know what I mean?
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    Figured it out, gotta tweak it a little. Doesn't sound as bright and crunchy as Ed's
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    I would go...

    Amp---> Flanger ---> Pinnacle ---> Phase 90---> Tuner ---> Git Fiddle

    For some reason I always preferred my Phase right before any OD or distortion pedal. I like the tuner at the beginning as it can be used as a kill switch for your signal..not in the Buckethead sense, but more for changing guitars
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