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    A Republican California assemblyman was left stunned Wednesday when the Democratic chair of the Assembly Labor and Employment committee cut off his microphone and then ordered security to physically remove the microphone from the meeting.

    The incident occurred during debate over legislation that would increase the Golden State’s minimum wage to $11 in 2016 and $13 in 2017. The current minimum wage is $9 an hour and is set to already rise to $10 an hour next year.

    Republican Matthew Harper said that Democratic chair Rodger Hernández cut off a witness testifying mid-sentence. When Harper, who Hernández had already recognized as the next speaker, began to testify, he too was cut off.


    “You cut me off,” the Republican assemblyman said after Hernández accused him of “yelling.”

    Video captured Hernández then reach over another individual to physically turn off Harper’s microphone. The committee chair then got security involved, ordering them to remove the microphone.


    “Sergeants, please remove the mic,” he instructed. “Please remove the mic. You’re yelling. You are out of order. You have not been recognized. … I’m running the meeting.”

    Harper told TheBlaze in a Thursday phone call that he couldn’t believe Hernández took such action.

    “This is something I’ve never heard of,” he said. “Not only does the chair of a meeting cut off debate, but in an effort to really cut it off, he literally reaches to pull your microphone out.”

    Harper said he simply wanted to deliver the three to four minutes of remarks he had prepared and represent his constituency on the “most high-profile bill” that the committee has heard this year.


    After the committee voted 5-2 on party lines in favor of the legislation, Hernández then approached Harper and told him he was “in the wrong,” the Republican assemblyman told TheBlaze.

    Hernández’s office did not immediately return requests for comment Thursday.

    In a statement, Harper said, “Blocking discussion in this manner is unfair, undemocratic and soils the decorum of the Assembly. I was sent here to represent the concerns of the voters of my district and chairman Hernández shut down my ability to speak for who I represent.”

    “The chair’s actions were offensive and disrespectful today, not just to me, but to Californians who want jobs and deserve to know the impacts policy will have on their chances of employment,” Harper added. “The good people of the San Gabriel Valley deserve better from their representative and Californians as a whole deserve more from those who serve them.”









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    what a sad example of "leadership". Absolutely pathetic. But sadly not that unusual. It stopped being about public service a long, long time ago

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    Democrats lost their super-majority, so it's probably new and scary to have to tolerate a dissenting opinion now, like seeing fire for the first time.

    It seems to me there is a trend on the left to just unequivocally say, on some issues, that there is no real, true opposition stance. If you don't 100% agree, you're wrong or stupid. That's not the case on this board, thankfully, but it seems to be that way when it comes to our elected officials.

    In this case, there's no true opposition to minimum wage. If you think it should be too low, too high, or not exist at all--you're wrong. You must think it should be exactly what the left says it should be or your argument is simply wrong. And I think that is what happened here. If what the person is going to say is so wrong that it is stupid to even hear it, why let them talk?

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    The institutionalization of greed in the American system has increased poverty and destroyed the middle class and our environment. People and not profits should be the focus of a community and society. That being said, in a capitalistic society we will always have an uneven distribution of wealth. I think most reasonable and slightly educated people can accept that individual initiative and ingenuity will result in different levels of financial success. The problem is that profits have soared through the stratosphere for a very few and the wealth gap has widened from a gorge to Grand Canyon proportions. Profit margins, and the ways in which those profits are utilized, are no longer acceptable or tolerable. Profits are acceptable so long as they are reinvested in the community. Profits are tolerable so as long as all people have a minimum standard of living and the potential for real earning and buying power.

    We should always approach every tax and spend situation by answering these questions in the affirmative.
    1. Does it protect workers?
    2. Does it protect consumers?
    3. Does it protect the environment?
    4. Does it improve the economic health of the community?
    5. Does it enable producers to make a modest profit beyond those profits reinvested in the community?
    6. Does it promote inclusive access to a shared socio-economic environment?

    If we cannot answer yes to all of those questions, then it isn't good for our society.

    What's so disturbing about our culture of greed is that the rich have infected us all with it. When a lower-middle class income earner defends budget cuts for education and social uplift, deregulation in the workplace, marketplace, and the environment, and tax cuts for corporations and wealthy individuals, that person has been infected with the plague of greed. His ignorance of his own exploitation is exactly what the rich want. The rich use their resources and platforms to convince the masses that they too can live like kings. At the same time they use those same resources and platforms to harm or eliminate the means for socio-economic uplift and to hoard the spoils for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1way2rock View Post
    The institutionalization of greed in the American system has increased poverty and destroyed the middle class and our environment. People and not profits should be the focus of a community and society. That being said, in a capitalistic society we will always have an uneven distribution of wealth. I think most reasonable and slightly educated people can accept that individual initiative and ingenuity will result in different levels of financial success. The problem is that profits have soared through the stratosphere for a very few and the wealth gap has widened from a gorge to Grand Canyon proportions. Profit margins, and the ways in which those profits are utilized, are no longer acceptable or tolerable. Profits are acceptable so long as they are reinvested in the community. Profits are tolerable so as long as all people have a minimum standard of living and the potential for real earning and buying power.

    We should always approach every tax and spend situation by answering these questions in the affirmative.
    1. Does it protect workers?
    2. Does it protect consumers?
    3. Does it protect the environment?
    4. Does it improve the economic health of the community?
    5. Does it enable producers to make a modest profit beyond those profits reinvested in the community?
    6. Does it promote inclusive access to a shared socio-economic environment?

    If we cannot answer yes to all of those questions, then it isn't good for our society.

    What's so disturbing about our culture of greed is that the rich have infected us all with it. When a lower-middle class income earner defends budget cuts for education and social uplift, deregulation in the workplace, marketplace, and the environment, and tax cuts for corporations and wealthy individuals, that person has been infected with the plague of greed. His ignorance of his own exploitation is exactly what the rich want. The rich use their resources and platforms to convince the masses that they too can live like kings. At the same time they use those same resources and platforms to harm or eliminate the means for socio-economic uplift and to hoard the spoils for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1way2rock View Post
    The institutionalization of greed in the American system has increased poverty and destroyed the middle class and our environment. People and not profits should be the focus of a community and society. That being said, in a capitalistic society we will always have an uneven distribution of wealth. I think most reasonable and slightly educated people can accept that individual initiative and ingenuity will result in different levels of financial success. The problem is that profits have soared through the stratosphere for a very few and the wealth gap has widened from a gorge to Grand Canyon proportions. Profit margins, and the ways in which those profits are utilized, are no longer acceptable or tolerable. Profits are acceptable so long as they are reinvested in the community. Profits are tolerable so as long as all people have a minimum standard of living and the potential for real earning and buying power.

    We should always approach every tax and spend situation by answering these questions in the affirmative.
    1. Does it protect workers?
    2. Does it protect consumers?
    3. Does it protect the environment?
    4. Does it improve the economic health of the community?
    5. Does it enable producers to make a modest profit beyond those profits reinvested in the community?
    6. Does it promote inclusive access to a shared socio-economic environment?

    If we cannot answer yes to all of those questions, then it isn't good for our society.

    What's so disturbing about our culture of greed is that the rich have infected us all with it. When a lower-middle class income earner defends budget cuts for education and social uplift, deregulation in the workplace, marketplace, and the environment, and tax cuts for corporations and wealthy individuals, that person has been infected with the plague of greed. His ignorance of his own exploitation is exactly what the rich want. The rich use their resources and platforms to convince the masses that they too can live like kings. At the same time they use those same resources and platforms to harm or eliminate the means for socio-economic uplift and to hoard the spoils for themselves.
    Income inequality only matters if wealth is finite. It's not.

    If, this year, Mitt Romney made $25 million and next year makes $30 million, but you get a 3% raise from $54,000 to $55,620, Mitt Romney goes from making 463 times what you made to 539 times what you made, yet you're still better off than the year before.

    But even if Romney makes more and your wage stays stagnant, that doesn't mean you aren't wealthier. The greed you hate is actually the best incentive the world has ever seen for man to serve their fellow man. To quote Walter Williams, "Prior to capitalism, the way people amassed great wealth was by looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man. Capitalism made it possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man."

    Let's take ice boxes and the refrigerator. Whoever invented the boxes got wealthy. So did the ice distributors. But it increased the standard of living as one did not have to visit the store every day. Your food kept, freeing up time. There were still drawbacks, as the ice melted and water had to be emptied each day. You couldn't open the door very often or the ice would melt faster and food would get warm. Food could end up permeating the box and insulation with its odor and render the box unusable. Keeping different foods in the same ice box could cause one to smell like the other (who wants butter that smells like fish?). So someone invented the refrigerator, which you just plugged in and let it do it's thing.

    In today's dollars, a 1923, a small, wooden ice box cost about $400. You also had to buy ice, about $4.25 a pound in today's dollars. The minimum weight was 25 pounds, so it cost at least $100 every time you bought ice. They had ways of preserving the block, so it would last, but buy the time you bought a small ice box and the smallest block of ice, you could buy a refrigerator in today's dollars.

    With the fridge, the inventor got really rich, and the companies who make them have CEOs who get rich off of them, but we're all better off. They don't need to be replaced nearly as often, the electricity to run them is much cheaper than the cost of ice. Food lasts longer, smells don't permeate, and you can control the climate to a degree, as well as the humidity. Even better, starting around $500, and lasting a long time that people sell them used or give them away, the vast majority of the poor have a fridge.

    We have gone from the poor maybe having an ice box to almost all the poor having a fridge. That is an increase in wealth for the poor and middle class that comes directly from the greed of those who invented and sell the fridge. This is true in every aspect of our lives. Someone gets rich, they employ the poor and middle class, but the fruits of that labor make us all wealthier.

    While much of the world has to walk miles each day just to get access to clean water, we shoot drinkable water into the air and everyone from the poor to the rich teach their kids to throw money at it. (Try explaining fountains in the US to the third world). This is also why the median household income in the US, $54,000, is 70% higher than the income needed ($32,000) to be the richest 1% in the world. Our poorest quintile marker, those making $12,500 per year, are richer than two-thirds of the rest of the world.

    Greed has made my life pretty good. The greedy people who built the house I'm living in, the TV that's on, the computer I am writing on, and the couch I am sitting on, as well as the ceiling fan and everything else around me have all gotten rich. But they have also made my life better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Income inequality only matters if wealth is finite. It's not.

    If, this year, Mitt Romney made $25 million and next year makes $30 million, but you get a 3% raise from $54,000 to $55,620, Mitt Romney goes from making 463 times what you made to 539 times what you made, yet you're still better off than the year before.

    But even if Romney makes more and your wage stays stagnant, that doesn't mean you aren't wealthier. The greed you hate is actually the best incentive the world has ever seen for man to serve their fellow man. To quote Walter Williams, "Prior to capitalism, the way people amassed great wealth was by looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man. Capitalism made it possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man."

    Let's take ice boxes and the refrigerator. Whoever invented the boxes got wealthy. So did the ice distributors. But it increased the standard of living as one did not have to visit the store every day. Your food kept, freeing up time. There were still drawbacks, as the ice melted and water had to be emptied each day. You couldn't open the door very often or the ice would melt faster and food would get warm. Food could end up permeating the box and insulation with its odor and render the box unusable. Keeping different foods in the same ice box could cause one to smell like the other (who wants butter that smells like fish?). So someone invented the refrigerator, which you just plugged in and let it do it's thing.

    In today's dollars, a 1923, a small, wooden ice box cost about $400. You also had to buy ice, about $4.25 a pound in today's dollars. The minimum weight was 25 pounds, so it cost at least $100 every time you bought ice. They had ways of preserving the block, so it would last, but buy the time you bought a small ice box and the smallest block of ice, you could buy a refrigerator in today's dollars.

    With the fridge, the inventor got really rich, and the companies who make them have CEOs who get rich off of them, but we're all better off. They don't need to be replaced nearly as often, the electricity to run them is much cheaper than the cost of ice. Food lasts longer, smells don't permeate, and you can control the climate to a degree, as well as the humidity. Even better, starting around $500, and lasting a long time that people sell them used or give them away, the vast majority of the poor have a fridge.

    We have gone from the poor maybe having an ice box to almost all the poor having a fridge. That is an increase in wealth for the poor and middle class that comes directly from the greed of those who invented and sell the fridge. This is true in every aspect of our lives. Someone gets rich, they employ the poor and middle class, but the fruits of that labor make us all wealthier.

    While much of the world has to walk miles each day just to get access to clean water, we shoot drinkable water into the air and everyone from the poor to the rich teach their kids to throw money at it. (Try explaining fountains in the US to the third world). This is also why the median household income in the US, $54,000, is 70% higher than the income needed ($32,000) to be the richest 1% in the world. Our poorest quintile marker, those making $12,500 per year, are richer than two-thirds of the rest of the world.

    Greed has made my life pretty good. The greedy people who built the house I'm living in, the TV that's on, the computer I am writing on, and the couch I am sitting on, as well as the ceiling fan and everything else around me have all gotten rich. But they have also made my life better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Income inequality only matters if wealth is finite. It's not.

    If, this year, Mitt Romney made $25 million and next year makes $30 million, but you get a 3% raise from $54,000 to $55,620, Mitt Romney goes from making 463 times what you made to 539 times what you made, yet you're still better off than the year before.

    Am I really better off when you consider that gas prices went up 40%, energy prices 11%, healthcare prices 5-10%, and food prices 5-10%? No, I am not. Mr. Romney, however, never notices the difference.

    But even if Romney makes more and your wage stays stagnant, that doesn't mean you aren't wealthier. The greed you hate is actually the best incentive the world has ever seen for man to serve their fellow man. To quote Walter Williams, "Prior to capitalism, the way people amassed great wealth was by looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man. Capitalism made it possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man."

    When did Walter Williams become a credible source?

    Let's take ice boxes and the refrigerator. Whoever invented the boxes got wealthy. So did the ice distributors. But it increased the standard of living as one did not have to visit the store every day. Your food kept, freeing up time. There were still drawbacks, as the ice melted and water had to be emptied each day. You couldn't open the door very often or the ice would melt faster and food would get warm. Food could end up permeating the box and insulation with its odor and render the box unusable. Keeping different foods in the same ice box could cause one to smell like the other (who wants butter that smells like fish?). So someone invented the refrigerator, which you just plugged in and let it do it's thing.

    In today's dollars, a 1923, a small, wooden ice box cost about $400. You also had to buy ice, about $4.25 a pound in today's dollars. The minimum weight was 25 pounds, so it cost at least $100 every time you bought ice. They had ways of preserving the block, so it would last, but buy the time you bought a small ice box and the smallest block of ice, you could buy a refrigerator in today's dollars.

    With the fridge, the inventor got really rich, and the companies who make them have CEOs who get rich off of them, but we're all better off. They don't need to be replaced nearly as often, the electricity to run them is much cheaper than the cost of ice. Food lasts longer, smells don't permeate, and you can control the climate to a degree, as well as the humidity. Even better, starting around $500, and lasting a long time that people sell them used or give them away, the vast majority of the poor have a fridge.

    We have gone from the poor maybe having an ice box to almost all the poor having a fridge. That is an increase in wealth for the poor and middle class that comes directly from the greed of those who invented and sell the fridge. This is true in every aspect of our lives. Someone gets rich, they employ the poor and middle class, but the fruits of that labor make us all wealthier.

    While much of the world has to walk miles each day just to get access to clean water, we shoot drinkable water into the air and everyone from the poor to the rich teach their kids to throw money at it. (Try explaining fountains in the US to the third world). This is also why the median household income in the US, $54,000, is 70% higher than the income needed ($32,000) to be the richest 1% in the world. Our poorest quintile marker, those making $12,500 per year, are richer than two-thirds of the rest of the world.

    Greed has made my life pretty good. The greedy people who built the house I'm living in, the TV that's on, the computer I am writing on, and the couch I am sitting on, as well as the ceiling fan and everything else around me have all gotten rich. But they have also made my life better.
    The industrial and market revolution in this country came at a human price. Go back and read the history of the industrial revolution from the perspective of American migrants from rural areas, or from immigrants. How many truly lived the rags-to-riches story as peddled by Horatio Alger in his dime novels? Your statistics may support the notion that the standard of living improved for the aggregate, but they ignore the true human costs of such an exploitative system.

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    Very common message in the church. He is driving it home more than most. All should have tremendous respect for this. He's right.

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