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    Default Passenger jet goes missing near Vietnam.

    Holy shit, and they have no idea where it went down with 239 people onboard.

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    They have spotted the oil slick in the South China Sea. It would seem that all 239 souls on board are lost.
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    It must have gone down very fast from 36,000 feet as there was no signal of trouble given.
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    Been watching this on the news . Sad event . Hope they recover the recorders to find out what happened .
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    Just heard reports that two stolen European passports were used to board this flight.

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    The suspicion of terrorism is creeping in . Stolen passports that were missing for two years ? The plane suddenly disappears from 36 000 in a heartbeat , with no call for help and no transponder signal ?

    Weird .
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    Yes, indeed. Worrying stuff - this is the latest update:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ane-MH370.html


    Malaysia Airlines crash: terror fear over stolen passports used on missing plane MH370

    Air safety experts investigate whether terrorism was behind the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight which vanished over the South China Sea

    By Malcolm Moore, in Beijing, Robert Mendick and Patrick Sawer

    7:35PM GMT 08 Mar 2014

    Air safety experts are investigating whether an airliner that mysteriously vanished in the Far East could have been the target of a terrorist attack.

    Twenty-four hours after Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 disappeared over the South China Sea, the only clue to the fate of its 239 passengers and crew was the revelation that at least two people on board were using stolen passports.

    The disclosure raised fears that terrorists could have used the passport to board the craft, which vanished with no prior signals of trouble to air traffic controllers.

    The plane was heading from the Malaysia to China, where last week 33 people were killed and 143 injured in a terrorist attack in the south-western city of Kunming. The attack, in which a gang of men ran amok in a Chinese railway station, was blamed on pro-separatist ethnic Uigurs, who come from the mainly Muslim areas of the Xinjiang region that borders Pakistan and Afghanistan. Some Chinese media have branded it the country’s own “9-11”.

    Officials stressed that it was too early to say whether terrorism was a likely cause of the Malaysia airlines crash. But US officials said they were checking into passenger manifests and going back through intelligence.

    “We are aware of the reporting on the two stolen passports,” one senior official told NBC news. “We have not determined a nexus to terrorism yet, although it’s still very early, and that’s by no means definitive.”

    A leading aviation safety expert also said that it was “extraordinary” that the pilots of the jetliner did not have time to make a distress call.

    David Learmount, of the specialist aviation magazine Flight Global, said that as the plane was cruising at about 35,000 feet when it lost contact over the South China sea, the pilots would normally have had “plenty of time” to radio in any technical problems before the plane hit the water.

    Chris Yates, another aviation expert, said: “There will be two areas for the investigation: the maintenance of the aircraft and also possible terrorism.”

    As darkness fell over the South China Sea last night, rescuers using boats, helicopters and planes had spotted two long oil slicks in the area where the Boeing 777 lost contact with air traffic control.

    No wreckage, or survivors, were spotted during a rescue mission that involved five countries and lasted roughly seven hours before the night closed in.

    But there was an ominous surprise after Malaysia Airlines released the passenger list for Flight MH370, a red-eye between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing.

    After checking the names of passengers 63 and 101, Christian Kozel and Luigi Maraldi, the Austrian and Italian governments said that neither man was on board.

    Both had their passports stolen in Thailand over the last two years, and Mr Maraldi had been issued a new one according to the Italian media.

    China Southern, which operated a codeshare on the flight, said both the passengers using stolen passports had booked through its ticketing office.

    Asked in the wake of the revelations whether terrorists had seized the plane, Najib Razak, the Malaysian prime minister said: “We are looking at all possibilities, but it is too early to make any conclusive remarks.”

    An unnamed senior American intelligence official told the New York Times that “at this time, we have not identified this as an act of terrorism. While the stolen passports are interesting, they don’t necessarily say to us that this was a terrorism act”.

    It was 1.20am on Saturday morning when Flight MH370 simply vanished, in clear weather and with no distress signal, over the sea between Malaysia and Vietnam.

    Two thirds of the 227 passengers were Chinese including one infant, travelling on what has become one of the most popular tourist routes in Asia. There were no British passengers on board.

    The pilot, 53-year-old Zaharie Ahmad Shah, had more than 18,000 flying hours under his belt and had been flying for Malaysia Airlines for more than three decades.

    Data from the plane showed no cause for panic. After a steady climb to 35,000ft, the Boeing 777 jet levelled off and then abruptly stopped sending its location, speed, and altitude. There was no sign of any sudden descent.

    The absence of any signal from the plane particularly troubled experts; even if both engines on the jet had failed, there should have been time to issue a distress call as the plane descended.

    It was five hours before Malaysia Airlines issued its first statement, simply saying they had lost contact with their plane and had begun a rescue operation.

    In Beijing, China’s foreign minister Wang Yi broke off a press conference to deal with the crisis. “We are extremely worried,” he said. Shortly afterwards, Xi Jinping, the president, ordered “all-out efforts” on a rescue operation.

    An efficient police operation at Beijing airport shuttled relatives away from a scrum of Chinese and foreign journalists and to a conference room in a downtown hotel, where they sat and waited.

    It was six more hours before the search began focusing on the last point of contact from the plane, roughly 120 nautical miles south west of Vietnam.

    At 12.15pm, an emergency message was broadcast to all ships in the area asking them to “keep a sharp look out and assist immediately”.

    China dispatched two ships from its naval base on Hainan island, while the Vietnamese and Malaysia navies both sent helicopters and ships. Singapore sent C-130 Hercules planes to search from overhead.

    A Vietnamese journalist aboard a search and rescue helicopter said they had spotted oil slicks on the waters.

    But the Malaysian transport minister, Hishamuddin Hussein, said it was too early to confirm a crash and that there were no signs of wreckage.

    “We are doing everything in our power to locate the plane. We are doing everything we can to ensure every possible angle has been addressed,” he said.

    Malaysia Airlines has a good safety record; it last lost a plane in 1977. The Boeing 777, equipped with twin Rolls-Royce Trent 892 engines, is also one of the world’s safest planes. Its only fatal crash in a 19-year history came last July when an Asiana Airlines jet missed the runway in San Francisco and three died.

    Experts said that investigators would concentrate not only on whether the plane had suffered some catastrophic structural or engine failure, but also on sudden and unforeseen turbulence, some sort of attack on the plane, or even the suicide of the pilot, which has caused previous crashes over water.

    But, a full day after the tragedy, the only news that Malaysia Airlines could issue was that “at this stage, our search and rescue teams from Malaysia, Singapore and Vietnam have failed to find evidence of any wreckage”.

    “The sea mission will continue while the air mission will recommence at daylight,” it added.

    By then, the relatives of the passengers in Beijing were furious, having been held throughout the day in the hotel with minimal information.

    The only information the relatives had gleaned, complained another man named Mr Jia, was from the internet.

    At the end of the day, the relatives retired to rooms in the hotel, still without any news, their hopes fading.

    Additional reporting by Adam Wu
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    Yeah, I don't want to be an alarmist and jump to any conclusions, but it is certainly suspicious in this day and age with all of the communications and tracking technology we possess for a giant passenger jet to just disappear out of the sky at 36,000ft without a trace.

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    I don't think it was terrorism or they would have flown it into something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Punch View Post
    I don't think it was terrorism or they would have flown it into something.
    Or maybe it was like UA Flight 93 that was flown into the ground in Pa.

    It's daylight now in the region, so that should give them a good line of sight to radar what's underneath the oil slick.

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    THe maximum depth in the water there is 50-86 meters.

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    Terrorists won't be able to take over an airliner ever again. The reason it worked on 9/11 is that people thought they were actually going to the airport, but now passengers realize they are on a one way ticket either way, so they won't go down without a fight. That's why flight 93 ended in Shanksville, PA and not in Washington DC.

    If it was terrorism it's more likely that it was done with some sort of explosive device, like the shoe or underwear bomber. Remember, there were reports of terrorists using toothpaste tubes to pack explosives, so let's hope that wasn't the case here.

    It's sad when we have to hope that it was an accidental loss of 230 people.
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    It now transpires that the 'plane did turn back - which suggests that the pilot had the intention of getting back to base - so it could either be a mechanical problem, which led to the catastrophe, OR a bomb on-board the aircraft, of which, perhaps, the aircrew became aware, and consequently tried to turn back.

    The very strange thing though, is why there were no radio communications from the aircraft; no explanation as to WHY they changed course. Now, I'm just speculating, of course, but if it was a mechanical problem, you'd think that the pilot would've issued an alert of some sort. If it was terrorism, however, then that might explain the lack of contact, as it might not have been possible...

    Like bsbll4 says, it's a horrendous feeling to be hoping that a crash like this was down to mechanical failure...
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    A plane of 200+ people goes missing and all they have so far is an oil slick.....

    Me thinks there's definitely a cover up of some sort going on here. We should know by now who those 2 people who used those stolen passports were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    Terrorists won't be able to take over an airliner ever again. The reason it worked on 9/11 is that people thought they were actually going to the airport, but now passengers realize they are on a one way ticket either way, so they won't go down without a fight. That's why flight 93 ended in Shanksville, PA and not in Washington DC.

    If it was terrorism it's more likely that it was done with some sort of explosive device, like the shoe or underwear bomber. Remember, there were reports of terrorists using toothpaste tubes to pack explosives, so let's hope that wasn't the case here.

    It's sad when we have to hope that it was an accidental loss of 230 people.

    If that plane was exploded, Id like to think we'd know about it by now. There'd be debris all over. How a plane could be blown up and 48 hours later, very little information is known about the planes werabouts doesn't add up to me. Right now all they have are oil slicks.

    I think Malaysian officials know what happened and they know they fucked up so they're doing a bit of a cover up. Security didnt check Interpol to see if those passports were stolen. Austrian officials were able to identify the presumed passenger as not on the plane within hours because their database showed that his passport was stolen 2 years ago. Not to mention the names on those 2 passports were so obviously Austrian and Italian. If somebody who didn't look Italian or Austrian showed up at security how could they not check Interpol to verify that those passports were legit.


    All that being said, where's the plane? If it was a terrorist act, the plane must have crashed and if it did crash into the ocean there'd be obvious signs of debris. There wasnt a distress signal sent from the cockpit either. So, if this was terrorism, either one of the pilots was in on it or they were immediately eliminated from the equation early on.

    Update: Malaysian officials speculating that the plane might have disintegrated in midair......:WTF:
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