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    Default VH beat grunge in 90's

    One thing VH doesn't get credit for is that they were/are one of the few rock bands that were not affected by the grunge movement throughout the 90's.....
    All their albums "F.U.C.K", "LRHRN" and "Balance" all went top 10 or number 1 around the world, and their tours were always huge.
    I cant think of many other hard rock/heavy metal bands who were still selling well or not affected, where-is a lot of hair metal bands around 1990/91 just died off.

    Bon Jovi weren't as big, but their albums sold ok...
    Kiss came back with the big reunion in '96 which helped them throughout the remainder of the 90's.
    AC/DC released an album on average every 5 years but sold ok, but had huge tours...

    Anyone agree...
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    Well hair bands had "fad" written all over them to begin with. I was a huge fan of them and still listen to that shit all the time. I love it. But even back then you knew the days were numbered. The minute I saw a Cinderalla video I knew the era had jumped the shark. I question whether grunge killed them or grunge just happened because it was time for something new.



    But it's a good point. VH was real music and their fanbase was hardcore with many years invested. About the only way they'd lose that is pretty much how it played out, with them ruining themselves. By the time '98 rolled around they were a mess and had to win over even the biggest hardcores. I remember listening to VH3 feeling like I had no idea who they were. It didn't feel like a continuation of Van Halen, it felt like "who the fuck are these guys??"
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    I never got distracted by grunge because Van Halen was kicking ass in America and around the globe.

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    I wouldn't say they beat grunge but they certainly held their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    I wouldn't say they beat grunge but they certainly held their own.
    I agree. The grunge phenomenon influenced everyone regardless. I love Van Halen but to my ears "Don't Tell Me" is totally influenced by the early nineties scene.

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    VH did just fine during most of the 90's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Down View Post
    Well hair bands had "fad" written all over them to begin with. I was a huge fan of them and still listen to that shit all the time. I love it. But even back then you knew the days were numbered. The minute I saw a Cinderalla video I knew the era had jumped the shark. I question whether grunge killed them or grunge just happened because it was time for something new.



    But it's a good point. VH was real music and their fanbase was hardcore with many years invested. About the only way they'd lose that is pretty much how it played out, with them ruining themselves. By the time '98 rolled around they were a mess and had to win over even the biggest hardcores. I remember listening to VH3 feeling like I had no idea who they were. It didn't feel like a continuation of Van Halen, it felt like "who the fuck are these guys??"
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    I have thought about this before as well. Vh was never a hair band and had a bit different audience than the "hair bands" The other thing was that most hairbands had disbanded by the 90s. Dokken, Ratt, Motley Crue, etc... were falling apart internally by that point. For me, the 90s started out great with a more stripped down sound than the 80s, yet still kick ass Rock n Roll. There was Skid Row with Slave to The Grind, Badlands, Cinderella with Heartbreak Station and Still Climbing, Lynch Mob, Guns N Roses, etc... that were all rocking a pure Rock sound without the whole glam thing involved. I think the grunge came up on its own, but if it hadn't of become big, I think that the 90s would have been better musically than the 80s based on the direction it was headed in Rock n Roll in the early 90s before grunge hit. Van Halen was part of the more stripped down sound by that point with FUCK, which didn't have the overproduced keyboard tracks that those that proceeded it in the VH camp had. VH however had a way bigger fan base than newer bands such Badlands, which is what allowed them to continue to thrive through the 90s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    I wouldn't say they beat grunge but they certainly held their own.
    Insert Pee Wee Herman joke here ...
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    Default VH beat grunge in 90's

    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    DD, Cinderella rocks!




    I thought they sucked. Guys voice was nails on a chalkboard for me.
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    VH with Wolf/Dave ('12-'15) - Amazing comeback. Smokin' album and tours.

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    Most the non-hard rock grunge bands did great in the early '90s, including the Glam Metal bands.

    Obviously VH were huge through the whole decade (#1s, "Right Now," Grammy, VMA Vid of the Year, Dave reunion--even VH3 got a lot of MTV airplay), but it seems like everyone was still big until about '93. Then it was only VH, Aerosmith, Metallica, Ozzy, AC/DC, and Bon Jovi left to carry the flag. Some of them self-destructed, but most just simply lost their popularity all at once. GNR would've remained big as well had they stayed together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Down View Post
    I thought they sucked. Guys voice was nails on a chalkboard for me.
    Is his voice any worse than Brian Johnson's of AC/DC?

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    I believe they did.
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    I also think Van Halen got the respect of some of the grunge bands, as evidenced by the recent cover songs performed by Pearl Jam. Or at least grunge seemed to respect the music of Dave-era Van Halen.

    The only negative story I heard was drunk Ed trying to go on stage to perform Eruption at a Nirvana show. How he got drunk and tried to persude Cobain letting him go onstage and then dissing Pat Smears in the process.

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    I wouldn't say they beat grunge. They knew how to adapt and take in new influences. If they had kept producing songs like it was still 1986, they definitely would have been unsuccessful, or at least played much smaller venues and relying on the classics much earlier on.

 

 

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