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    “When America Becomes Number Two." That was the January 21 headline in The World Post, a new lefty offshoot of The Huffington Post. The author was Kishore Mahbubani, a Singaporean diplomat and academic who has emerged as a prominent intellectual figure in Asia, mostly because he argues for the inevitability – and the urgency – of dethroning the US as the world’s leading superpower.

    Mahbubani’s World Post article advances his favorite dethronement theme. He writes:

    In 2019, barely five years away, the world will pass one of its most significant historical milestones. For the first time in 200 years, a non-Western power, China, will become the number one economy in purchasing power parity (PPP) terms. America will become number two. Yes, it will take longer for China's economy to overtake America's in nominal terms, but the trend line is irresistible. And in PPP terms, China's economy could be twice that of America's by 2020.

    Mahbubani – whose heritage reaches back to Muslim Pakistan – bolsters his America-as-Number Two argument by quoting Bill Clinton in 2003. The former president told a Yale University audience:

    We should be trying to create a world with rules and partnerships and habits of behavior that we would like to live in when we're no longer the military political economic superpower in the world.

    Needless to say, Mahbubani is delighted by the prospect of American decline; he adds that only “massive self-deception” keeps Americans from seeing the truth about their own faltering reality.

    Okay, so Mahbubani, the lefties at Huffington/World Post, and the 42nd president agree that America is in eclipse. Probably they all savor the prospect.

    So here’s the question: What should Americans think about this? More to the point, what should we do about this? It’s unlikely that the right answer is simply, “Replace Barack Obama with a Republican.”

    After all, Clinton spoke of decline in 2003, when George W. Bush was in the White House. Indeed, it’s hard to observe the history of the 43 administrations – from 9-11 to the Iraq War to the Great Recession – and not conclude that Bush was part of the problem. Who thinks that a hypothetical President McCain or President Romney would have reversed these negative trends?

    In other words, the Mahbubani challenge – more like the Mahbubani taunt – is out there, and it’s darn hard to think of the current American leader, or the current American leadership agenda, that can do anything to stop it.



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    For everyone that hates America, I am just waiting for the cold dose of reality when China is the one waving the big stick.
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    China has more than 3 times the population the US does, so the fact that they aren't #1 by a mile already should be embarrassing for them. Barely eclipsing the US economically is basically celebrating and highlighting their own economic inefficiencies.
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    90% of their population is living under 12th century conditions, still using mules and oxen to do their farming.
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    All those Chinese carryout joints in the USA are really spy outposts and they are using mind control chemicals in the egg rolls lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    For everyone that hates America, I am just waiting for the cold dose of reality when China is the one waving the big stick.
    won't happen. This is part of the reason the European Union happened - and they have a bigger combined economy than China (or the States for that matter). In my lifetime i imagine the same thing happens in North America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    China has more than 3 times the population the US does, so the fact that they aren't #1 by a mile already should be embarrassing for them. Barely eclipsing the US economically is basically celebrating and highlighting their own economic inefficiencies.
    They also pay their 'employees' nothing...so, employees making nothing, don't have enough to contribute to the economy. As well as what DD said.

    China is a massive problem...they've built a huge military (why?), they do nothing to clean up after themselves (enviornment) - let alone the amount of money owed to them by many countries.
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    I knew the day they signed NAFTA we were fucking doomed as a nation. Actually, in 86 when Reagan amnestied illegal immigrants (as part of a deal with the democrats that we could secure the border) and the border did not get sealed that the America I knew and loved would eventually die and become unrecognizable. That day is approaching decades faster than I speculated thanks to the interwebz.
    The scary part of having China in the lead is that it is a God-less country and I fear one day we will in fact see Chinese fighter planes in the skies above California as they come to collect their debt we cant pay because we became a lazy, fat , entitled, government dependent nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    90% of their population is living under 12th century conditions, still using mules and oxen to do their farming.
    At least they still have farming.
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    Seems to me the best way to be number one is to stop acting like number two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy812 View Post
    At least they still have farming.
    We have shitloads of farming, unforunately, most of it is now corporate farming. We are the number 1 food exporter in the world. And we export more than 50% of the worlds corn and soybeans.
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    A Tale Of Two Cows:

    SOCIALISM You have 2 cows. You give one to your neighbour.

    COMMUNISM You have 2 cows The State takes both and gives you some milk.

    FASCISM You have 2 cows. The State takes both and sells you some milk.

    BUREAUCRATISM You have 2 cows. The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other and then throws the milk away.

    TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows. You sell them and retire on the income.

    VENTURE CAPITALISM You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, and then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more.

    AN AMERICAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows. Later, you hire a consultant to analyse why the cow has died.

    A FRENCH CORPORATION You have two cows. You go on strike, organize a riot, and block the roads, because you want three cows.

    AN ITALIAN CORPORATION You have two cows, but you do not know where they are. You decide to have lunch.

    A SWISS CORPORATION You have 5,000 cows. None of them belong to you. You charge the owners for storing them.

    A CHINESE CORPORATION You have two cows. You have 300 people milking them. You claim that you have full employment and high bovine productivity. You arrest the newsman who reported the real situation.

    AN INDIAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You worship them.

    A BRITISH CORPORATION You have two cows. Both are mad.

    AN IRAQI CORPORATION Everyone thinks you have lots of cows. You tell them that you have none. Nobody believes you, so they bomb the crap out of you and invade your country. You still have no cows but at least you are now a Democracy.

    AN AUSTRALIAN CORPORATION You have two cows. Business seems pretty good. You close the office and go for a few beers to celebrate.

    A NEW ZEALAND CORPORATION You have two cows. The one on the left looks very attractive.

    A GREEK CORPORATION You have two cows borrowed from French and German banks. You eat both of them. The banks call to collect their milk, but you cannot deliver so you call the IMF. The IMF loans you two cows. You eat both of them. The banks and the IMF call to collect their cows/milk. You are out getting a haircut.

    AN IRISH CORPORATION You have two cows One of them is a horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Punch View Post
    I knew the day they signed NAFTA we were fucking doomed as a nation. Actually, in 86 when Reagan amnestied illegal immigrants (as part of a deal with the democrats that we could secure the border) and the border did not get sealed that the America I knew and loved would eventually die and become unrecognizable. That day is approaching decades faster than I speculated thanks to the interwebz.
    The scary part of having China in the lead is that it is a God-less country and I fear one day we will in fact see Chinese fighter planes in the skies above California as they come to collect their debt we cant pay because we became a lazy, fat , entitled, government dependent nation.
    Sounds like the next Call of Duty game!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    Needless to say, Mahbubani is delighted by the prospect of American decline; he adds that only “massive self-deception” keeps Americans from seeing the truth about their own faltering reality.
    The problem I see is a flawed way of looking at it. Less people in poverty in the world is a good thing...for everyone. The improvement of China means there will be an improvement in their lives and education. This will contribute to the overall increase in such things worldwide....which has been happening for decades.

    None of this is a "decline" for the US. If the author believes the only way for the US to be in a good state is for other countries to be in a bad state that is a sad outlook. The rest of the world joining the US in prosperity is a good thing for all and will only hasten further improvements in our lives as well. There is also less desire for conflict when your life is good.

 

 

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