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    'Gun violence, let 'em die': Shooter Karl Pierson mocked firearms laws but then opened fire on his school while mother was out of town caring for ill relative

    • 18-year-old legally bought shotgun week before using it in attack

    • Students say he was suspended after making threats against debate coach

    • Tracy Murphy, who also worked as the librarian, is believed to have been intended target

    • Claire Davis, 17, still in critical condition after being shot in the head


    Colorado gunman Karl Pierson, who seriously injured a 17-year-old girl when he opened fire at his school, supported tougher gun laws.

    The 18-year-old, who had been dropped from the debate team, was said to have had strong views on politics and gun control, classmates said.

    Pierson was also allegedly suspended from the school in September for making threats against the team coach, Tracy Murphy, believed to have been the target for Friday's attack.

    'He had very strong beliefs about gun laws and stuff,' junior Abbey Skoda told the Denver Post.

    The paper reported that Pierson had once posted an image on Facebook with the slogan: 'The Republican Party: Health Care: Let 'em Die, Climate Change: Let 'em Die, Gun Violence: Let 'em Die, Women's Rights: Let 'em Die, More War: Let 'em Die. Is this really the side you want to be on?'

    The post had been removed on Saturday.

    Despite seemingly supporting gun control, Pierson legally bought the shotgun that he used only one week before carrying out his attack.

    The teenager carried out his attack while his mother, who he had been living with since his parents divorced, was out of town caring for a sick relative.

    During the attack he fired five times, shooting 17-year-old Claire Davis at point blank range, before shooting himself in the library.

    Claire, who is not believed to have known Pierson, is in critical condition in hospital.

    County Sheriff Grayson Robinson said at a press conference on Saturday afternoon that Claire was 'an innocent victim of an evil act of violence'.

    A vigil was held for the popular student on Saturday night, as her parents called for prayers and privacy.

    Sheriff Robinson said Pierson's 'evil intent' had been to harm multiple people.

    Several students at Arapahoe High School claimed that the outspoken teenager had been in an argument with Mr Tracy, believed to be his intended target, earlier in the year, which led to him being dropped from the team.

    Joe Redmond, one of the captains of the team, told the Los Angeles Times that Pierson had been suspended from school for two weeks in September for making threats.

    'When he came back he was really, really angry,' Joe said, adding that he asked Pierson to return to the team on Monday after they came first in a tournament.

    But the 18-year-old said he still hated Mr Tracy and told him: 'Apparently you get suspended for threatening to kill a teacher.'

    Joe defended his friend's memory though, telling the paper: 'At the end of the day Karl was a good person ... I loved to be around him. I loved to talk to him. It’s always a shame when you hear friends making bad choices, but this one was particularly devastating.'

    Some reports said Pierson, who was armed with a shotgun, machete and petrol bombs, had been shouting the coach's name as he began firing inside the school.

    Mr Murphy was credited for leaving the building in an attempt to move the gunman away from fellow students.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-school.html


    Colorado school shooting puzzles officials; victim is in coma

    Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper sees 'no rhyme or reason' behind the shooting. He says the gunman 'didn't seem to have a mental illness. He had a lot of friends. He was outspoken.'


    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...#ixzz2ne3VLwth

    A 17-year-old high school student remained in critical but stable condition Sunday as Colorado officials tried to understand why a fellow student shot her and tried to shoot his debate coach before committing suicide last week.

    Two days after the shooting at Arapahoe High School in Centennial, the wounded student, Claire Davis, was in a coma at Littleton Adventist Hospital, her family said in a statement released through the hospital's Facebook page Sunday evening.

    "The first responders got Claire to the right place, at the right time, and the doctors and hospital staff are doing a wonderful job taking care of her," said the statement, which requested privacy. "We appreciate your continued good thoughts and prayers, and will provide updates as her condition improves."

    Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, in an appearance on CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday, said that a shotgun blast hit Claire in the face and that he had visited her and her family in the hospital.

    "Her parents are two of the most wonderful people you could ever hope to meet," Hickenlooper said. "You know, they adopted her. I mean, they are beside themselves, and, really, we all have to keep Claire in our thoughts and our prayers. Her parents ... I can't imagine what they're going through. It's unspeakable."

    Claire may not have been a premeditated target, Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson said at a Saturday news conference. She was in "the wrong place at the wrong time" when Karl Halverson Pierson, 18, stalked through the high school with a shotgun Friday, he said.

    The pair didn't appear to interact before Pierson shot her, Robinson said. Authorities said Pierson unsuccessfully searched the school for a librarian who had been his debate coach before he set off a Molotov cocktail that ignited bookshelves in the library and then killed himself.

    Robinson told reporters Sunday that investigators had wrapped up their investigation at the high school and would be releasing the facility back to the school district soon.

    Hickenlooper, a Democrat who pushed successfully for universal background checks for in-state gun purchases and for limited magazine sizes, seemed almost at a loss in his "Face the Nation" interview.

    Because Pierson was 18, he was able to buy his shotgun legally; a sheriff's deputy was in the building when the shooting began; and Pierson didn't exactly stand out among other students as a possible gunman, Hickenlooper said.

    "He didn't seem to have a mental illness. He had a lot of friends. He was outspoken. There have been a couple stories that he was bullied, and that's a recurring theme we see sometimes with these shootings. But, again, there's no rhyme or reason," Hickenlooper said.

    He added: "We've invested over $20 million the last legislative session in mental illness. So we've got, you know, 24/7 hot lines. We've got mobile crisis centers. We've got 24/7 drop-in centers, really trying to — to intercept people with mental illness before they can cause damage to themselves or to others. And — and yet somehow this kid didn't exhibit any of those symptoms."

    A student who was on the debate team with Pierson, however, said that his friends were concerned about Pierson's behavior.

    Larson Ross, 18, a debate team captain, said Pierson had become angrier since his argument with the debate coach in September.

    "It seemed like he was attacking people to try and elicit a response, and in doing so he would put himself above that person on a mental level," Ross said. "It started making it tough for a lot of people to be his friend."

    Changes in Pierson were so apparent, Ross said, that his friends were talking about whether they needed to tell someone that he might be "going off the edge."

    One hour after that discussion, Pierson burst into the school with a shotgun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voivod View Post
    'Gun violence, let 'em die': Shooter Karl Pierson mocked firearms laws but then opened fire on his school while mother was out of town caring for ill relative

    • 18-year-old legally bought shotgun week before using it in attack

    • Students say he was suspended after making threats against debate coach

    • Tracy Murphy, who also worked as the librarian, is believed to have been intended target

    • Claire Davis, 17, still in critical condition after being shot in the head


    Colorado gunman Karl Pierson, who seriously injured a 17-year-old girl when he opened fire at his school, supported tougher gun laws.

    The 18-year-old, who had been dropped from the debate team, was said to have had strong views on politics and gun control, classmates said.

    Pierson was also allegedly suspended from the school in September for making threats against the team coach, Tracy Murphy, believed to have been the target for Friday's attack.

    'He had very strong beliefs about gun laws and stuff,' junior Abbey Skoda told the Denver Post.

    The paper reported that Pierson had once posted an image on Facebook with the slogan: 'The Republican Party: Health Care: Let 'em Die, Climate Change: Let 'em Die, Gun Violence: Let 'em Die, Women's Rights: Let 'em Die, More War: Let 'em Die. Is this really the side you want to be on?'

    The post had been removed on Saturday.

    Despite seemingly supporting gun control, Pierson legally bought the shotgun that he used only one week before carrying out his attack.

    The teenager carried out his attack while his mother, who he had been living with since his parents divorced, was out of town caring for a sick relative.

    During the attack he fired five times, shooting 17-year-old Claire Davis at point blank range, before shooting himself in the library.

    Claire, who is not believed to have known Pierson, is in critical condition in hospital.

    County Sheriff Grayson Robinson said at a press conference on Saturday afternoon that Claire was 'an innocent victim of an evil act of violence'.

    A vigil was held for the popular student on Saturday night, as her parents called for prayers and privacy.

    Sheriff Robinson said Pierson's 'evil intent' had been to harm multiple people.

    Several students at Arapahoe High School claimed that the outspoken teenager had been in an argument with Mr Tracy, believed to be his intended target, earlier in the year, which led to him being dropped from the team.

    Joe Redmond, one of the captains of the team, told the Los Angeles Times that Pierson had been suspended from school for two weeks in September for making threats.

    'When he came back he was really, really angry,' Joe said, adding that he asked Pierson to return to the team on Monday after they came first in a tournament.

    But the 18-year-old said he still hated Mr Tracy and told him: 'Apparently you get suspended for threatening to kill a teacher.'

    Joe defended his friend's memory though, telling the paper: 'At the end of the day Karl was a good person ... I loved to be around him. I loved to talk to him. It’s always a shame when you hear friends making bad choices, but this one was particularly devastating.'

    Some reports said Pierson, who was armed with a shotgun, machete and petrol bombs, had been shouting the coach's name as he began firing inside the school.

    Mr Murphy was credited for leaving the building in an attempt to move the gunman away from fellow students.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-school.html


    Colorado school shooting puzzles officials; victim is in coma

    Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper sees 'no rhyme or reason' behind the shooting. He says the gunman 'didn't seem to have a mental illness. He had a lot of friends. He was outspoken.'


    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...#ixzz2ne3VLwth

    A 17-year-old high school student remained in critical but stable condition Sunday as Colorado officials tried to understand why a fellow student shot her and tried to shoot his debate coach before committing suicide last week.

    Two days after the shooting at Arapahoe High School in Centennial, the wounded student, Claire Davis, was in a coma at Littleton Adventist Hospital, her family said in a statement released through the hospital's Facebook page Sunday evening.

    "The first responders got Claire to the right place, at the right time, and the doctors and hospital staff are doing a wonderful job taking care of her," said the statement, which requested privacy. "We appreciate your continued good thoughts and prayers, and will provide updates as her condition improves."

    Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, in an appearance on CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday, said that a shotgun blast hit Claire in the face and that he had visited her and her family in the hospital.

    "Her parents are two of the most wonderful people you could ever hope to meet," Hickenlooper said. "You know, they adopted her. I mean, they are beside themselves, and, really, we all have to keep Claire in our thoughts and our prayers. Her parents ... I can't imagine what they're going through. It's unspeakable."

    Claire may not have been a premeditated target, Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson said at a Saturday news conference. She was in "the wrong place at the wrong time" when Karl Halverson Pierson, 18, stalked through the high school with a shotgun Friday, he said.

    The pair didn't appear to interact before Pierson shot her, Robinson said. Authorities said Pierson unsuccessfully searched the school for a librarian who had been his debate coach before he set off a Molotov cocktail that ignited bookshelves in the library and then killed himself.

    Robinson told reporters Sunday that investigators had wrapped up their investigation at the high school and would be releasing the facility back to the school district soon.

    Hickenlooper, a Democrat who pushed successfully for universal background checks for in-state gun purchases and for limited magazine sizes, seemed almost at a loss in his "Face the Nation" interview.

    Because Pierson was 18, he was able to buy his shotgun legally; a sheriff's deputy was in the building when the shooting began; and Pierson didn't exactly stand out among other students as a possible gunman, Hickenlooper said.

    "He didn't seem to have a mental illness. He had a lot of friends. He was outspoken. There have been a couple stories that he was bullied, and that's a recurring theme we see sometimes with these shootings. But, again, there's no rhyme or reason," Hickenlooper said.

    He added: "We've invested over $20 million the last legislative session in mental illness. So we've got, you know, 24/7 hot lines. We've got mobile crisis centers. We've got 24/7 drop-in centers, really trying to — to intercept people with mental illness before they can cause damage to themselves or to others. And — and yet somehow this kid didn't exhibit any of those symptoms."

    A student who was on the debate team with Pierson, however, said that his friends were concerned about Pierson's behavior.

    Larson Ross, 18, a debate team captain, said Pierson had become angrier since his argument with the debate coach in September.

    "It seemed like he was attacking people to try and elicit a response, and in doing so he would put himself above that person on a mental level," Ross said. "It started making it tough for a lot of people to be his friend."

    Changes in Pierson were so apparent, Ross said, that his friends were talking about whether they needed to tell someone that he might be "going off the edge."

    One hour after that discussion, Pierson burst into the school with a shotgun.
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    Denver Post Stealth Edits Out ‘Socialist’ from Profile of Arapahoe School Shooter

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/denve...chool-shooter/
    Michael Caine on Jaws: The Revenge:

    "I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built and it is terrific."

    Samuel Johnson 1775 : “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel”

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocknblues81 View Post
    Denver Post Stealth Edits Out ‘Socialist’ from Profile of Arapahoe School Shooter

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/denve...chool-shooter/
    yup...

    http://twitchy.com/2013/12/14/denver...pahoe-shooter/
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocknblues81 View Post
    Denver Post Stealth Edits Out ‘Socialist’ from Profile of Arapahoe School Shooter

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/denve...chool-shooter/
    Is the editors last name Goebbells?
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    Quote Originally Posted by voivod View Post
    Hickenlooper, a Democrat who pushed successfully for universal background checks for in-state gun purchases and for limited magazine sizes, seemed almost at a loss in his "Face the Nation" interview.

    Because Pierson was 18, he was able to buy his shotgun legally; a sheriff's deputy was in the building when the shooting began; and Pierson didn't exactly stand out among other students as a possible gunman, Hickenlooper said.

    "He didn't seem to have a mental illness. He had a lot of friends. He was outspoken. There have been a couple stories that he was bullied, and that's a recurring theme we see sometimes with these shootings. But, again, there's no rhyme or reason," Hickenlooper said.

    He added: "We've invested over $20 million the last legislative session in mental illness. So we've got, you know, 24/7 hot lines. We've got mobile crisis centers. We've got 24/7 drop-in centers, really trying to — to intercept people with mental illness before they can cause damage to themselves or to others. And — and yet somehow this kid didn't exhibit any of those symptoms."
    Mr. Hickenlooper, I believe the words you are looking for are: "Shit happens." Evil people will do evil things, and no amount of legislation will ever stop that.

    He's exactly right: there's no rhyme or reason. There isn't in any of these cases, but that doesn't stop people with a political bone to pick from coming out and championing their cause and claiming they have the answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardv View Post
    Is the editors last name Goebbells?
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    No sign of mental illness (yet), so let's blame it on his liberal state of mind.

    I really don't care about the political stance of this shooter. To me, he was a just another piece of shit coward with a gun.

    I do find it perplexing that after other school shootings (especially Columbine--only 10 miles away!), this idiot was able to get a shotgun through the doors.
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    No sign of mental illness (yet), so let's blame it on his liberal state of mind.

    I really don't care about the political stance of this shooter. To me, he was a just another piece of shit coward with a gun.

    I do find it perplexing that after other school shootings (especially Columbine--only 10 miles away!), this idiot was able to get a shotgun through the doors.
    I don't think anyone is blaming his political views (unless I missed something somewhere, which could be the case). Truthfully, the only reason why political beliefs are of note here are for two reasons: there's irony in him being outspoken against gun violence and then committing the very act he detests, and probably more importantly, if it's not noted that he was a socialist, you'll have every gun-control enthusiast taking to the airwaves to proclaim the evils of the Tea Party and "clingers"--as has happened after every similar event.

    Like it or not, the media has been itching for a Red state, Tea-Party-sympathizing conservative to shoot up something so they can pounce. That's why in the wake of multiple tragedies, we've had commentators openly speculating on air the nature of the perpetrators political beliefs. There's a media-driven stereotype that's just begging to be validated, so I think any case where that stereotype can be sunk are important for the overall dialogue.

    As Mr. Hickenlooper has proven in those 3 paragraphs, you can't stop a problem you don't understand, and more importantly, there are some problems that can't be stopped by the stroke of the pen. Having everyone on the same page would do wonders to the dialogue in the wake of these tragedies, rather than everyone jumping to their own conclusions and pouncing on their pet political issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    I don't think anyone is blaming his political views (unless I missed something somewhere, which could be the case). Truthfully, the only reason why political beliefs are of note here are for two reasons: there's irony in him being outspoken against gun violence and then committing the very act he detests, and probably more importantly, if it's not noted that he was a socialist, you'll have every gun-control enthusiast taking to the airwaves to proclaim the evils of the Tea Party and "clingers"--as has happened after every similar event.

    Like it or not, the media has been itching for a Red state, Tea-Party-sympathizing conservative to shoot up something so they can pounce. That's why in the wake of multiple tragedies, we've had commentators openly speculating on air the nature of the perpetrators political beliefs. There's a media-driven stereotype that's just begging to be validated, so I think any case where that stereotype can be sunk are important for the overall dialogue.

    As Mr. Hickenlooper has proven in those 3 paragraphs, you can't stop a problem you don't understand, and more importantly, there are some problems that can't be stopped by the stroke of the pen. Having everyone on the same page would do wonders to the dialogue in the wake of these tragedies, rather than everyone jumping to their own conclusions and pouncing on their pet political issue.
    I agree with all that you said. And I "get" the irony of this shooter committing the crime he speaks out against.

    I'm just sick of everything have a political spin on it. Someone fires a gun inside a school and one of the first things people want to know is if he was a Republican or Democrat. Ridiculous.
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    I think there is a particularly malevolent spirit lording over that entire area.
    Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing. Something's in the water over there...
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