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    BREAKING: Homeowner Who Shot Girl Seeking Help At His Door Charged With Murder

    A Detroit-area homeowner who shot in the face a 19-year-old girl at his door will be charged with murder, Wayne County prosecutors announced Thursday. The charges include murder in the second degree, which carries a term of up to life in prison; a manslaughter charge with a maximum term of 15 years in prison; and possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony or attempted commission, which carries a term of two years in prison.

    In the two weeks since Renisha McBride was shot dead outside the Dearborn Heights home, protests have escalated around the country to charge the homeowner, suggesting comparisons to the killing of Trayvon Martin. The shooter was white and McBride is African American. While the homeowner, now identified as Theodore P. Wafer, age 54, initially told police he discharged the gun by accident, his lawyer since told the press the shooting was “justified” and “reasonable,” invoking language from Michigan’s “Shoot First” laws that allow immunity for some self-defense shootings. At a press conference Friday, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said her office determined that Wafer “did not act in lawful self-defense.”

    It is now clear that Michigan’s Stand Your Ground-like laws did not stop prosecutors from charging Wafer. Wafer may, however, still seek immunity from charges at trial.

    Here’s what we know:
    Police believe McBride was in a car accident and knocked on the door of the home for help. Worthy reported Friday that McBride, was bloodied, confused, and disoriented. Toxicology reports also show that her blood alcohol level was above the legal limit.

    The shooter didn’t know McBride. In audio released by the police, the homeowner told the dispatcher he shot someone he didn’t know.

    The homeowner’s lawyer is calling the shooting “justified.” The homeowner initially said he accidentally discharged the gun, but when his lawyer, Cheryl Carpenter, spoke to the press, she said the shooting was “justified” and invoked the language of Michigan’s “Shoot First” laws that could immunize the homeowner from prosecution if he was acting in self-defense. Carpenter also told NPR that the knocking sounded like a lot of banging, rather than a knock.

    There were no signs forced entry into the home. Prosecutor Worthy said during the press conference Friday that McBride had not attempted to forcibly enter the home. For Wafer to successfully invoke immunity under what is known as the “Castle Doctrine,” which authorizes deadly force without a duty to retreat in one’s home, he would have to show that McBride was “in the process of breaking and entering a dwelling.” He could also use the state’s Stand Your Ground law to show that he reasonably believed force was necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.

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    Can't wait to see how the extreme Pro gun people defend this one.

    Drunk black girl knocks on door to request help...owners first action?....Shoot the bitch instead of closing the door (if he was indeed scared for his life).

    Carpenter also told NPR that the knocking sounded like a lot of banging, rather than a knock.
    Well that's certainly deserving of a shot to the face.....

    Jesus.

    Hope the scumbag gets charged, convicted and dies in prison. Manslaughter charge my ass. What a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    Can't wait to see how the extreme Pro gun people defend this one.
    Drunk black girl knocks on door to request help...owners first action?....Shoot the bitch instead of closing the door (if he was indeed scared for his life).



    Well that's certainly deserving of a shot to the face.....




    Jesus.
    I'm "pro-gun" I suppose, but if the evidence shows he shot her unjustifiably, I don't know why anyone who supports the Bill of Rights in our Constitution would have a problem with him being charged with murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    Can't wait to see how the extreme Pro gun people defend this one.

    Drunk black girl knocks on door to request help...owners first action?....Shoot the bitch instead of closing the door (if he was indeed scared for his life).



    Well that's certainly deserving of a shot to the face.....

    Jesus.

    Hope the scumbag gets charged, convicted and dies in prison. Manslaughter charge my ass. What a joke.

    Pro gun people wouldn't support his actions if it happened this way. If it did happen like they said, then they're following the law.
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    Understood, gents. Hence why I put EXTREME before Pro gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    Can't wait to see how the extreme Pro gun people defend this one.

    Drunk black girl knocks on door to request help...owners first action?....Shoot the bitch instead of closing the door (if he was indeed scared for his life).



    Well that's certainly deserving of a shot to the face.....

    Jesus.

    Hope the scumbag gets charged, convicted and dies in prison. Manslaughter charge my ass. What a joke.
    I know some people that talk like this sometimes, but I don't think most of them would actually just shoot someone that comes up to the door. Most people are just talk. Not this guy apparently. From what little I've read, this looks pretty bad.
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    I Not this guy apparently. From what little I've read, this looks pretty bad.
    Kind of does away with the whole, "If further gun legislation was put in place, criminals would still be able to get them..." argument against stricter gun laws.

    This guy wasnt a criminal. He owned his gun legally. And to top it all off, people (his lawyer) are actually saying that he was JUSTIFIED in his actions....

    If guns don't kill people...people kill people...how do you curtail these incidents? It virtually cannot be done without gun reform or stricter laws on gun violence (such as in this case), IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    Can't wait to see how the extreme Pro gun people defend this one.

    Drunk black girl knocks on door to request help...owners first action?....Shoot the bitch instead of closing the door (if he was indeed scared for his life).



    Well that's certainly deserving of a shot to the face.....

    Jesus.

    Hope the scumbag gets charged, convicted and dies in prison. Manslaughter charge my ass. What a joke.
    The guy is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law scumbag!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MF5150 View Post
    Can't wait to see how the extreme Pro gun people defend this one.

    Drunk black girl knocks on door to request help...owners first action?....Shoot the bitch instead of closing the door (if he was indeed scared for his life).



    Well that's certainly deserving of a shot to the face.....

    Jesus.

    Hope the scumbag gets charged, convicted and dies in prison. Manslaughter charge my ass. What a joke.
    What does this have to do with pro gun people? This guy was an idiot no matter what was in his hands. If he stabbed her should we outlaw knives? If he hit her over the head with a hammer should we ban them too?
    Idiocy is going to happen no matter what as long as there are humans involved. But I digress, this man should be charged with nothing less than 2nd degree murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Punch View Post
    What does this have to do with pro gun people? This guy was an idiot no matter what was in his hands. If he stabbed her should we outlaw knives? If he hit her over the head with a hammer should we ban them too?
    Believe it or not, despite my being about as anti-gun as can be, I can see some semblance of logic in your argument. However, the difference between him using a gun in this scenario, as opposed to a knife, or a hammer, or a toaster, or a knitting needle, is that the gun allows the perpetrator to be at quite some distance from his / her victim. There isn't the same level of direct, personal contact required for a gun-crime, as there is for knife-crime. In my opinion, this has the effect of disassociating the criminal from the effects and consequences of his actions in a far more pronounced way than one which necessitates an almost intimate level of contact like that of knives.
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    Did he shoot right through the front door?

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    they've been talking about this on the radio when I drive home.

    it's a pretty crazy sounding case.

    the guy said it was an accident...the girl was super-duper drunk, had been in an auto accident and was wandering around?

    I'll have to read up on this, I know people are concerned that this is gonna turn out liek travon martin in terms of how it's viewed nation wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad to the Bone View Post
    they've been talking about this on the radio when I drive home.

    it's a pretty crazy sounding case.

    the guy said it was an accident...the girl was super-duper drunk, had been in an auto accident and was wandering around?

    I'll have to read up on this, I know people are concerned that this is gonna turn out liek travon martin in terms of how it's viewed nation wide.
    Well he is white, she was black, and morons are already calling on the banning of handguns....so yeah...this is likely going to turn out to be like Trayvon in a sense. The only difference is that no one (as of yet) has implied that the woman was initiating criminal behavior, so there won't be fervent supporters on the man's side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    Did he shoot right through the front door?
    good question!

    Just sad that this is what society is coming down to - shoot first, ask questions later. Somewhat understandable when you read stories like the one about the punks jumping random people, but still, is this really the society that we want?

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    I think that was kind of where I was going with my post...The problem with guns is the ease with which the shooter can deploy his / her weapon. It requires so little by way of deliberate thought and direct contact that it has become TOO easy for these sorts of incidents to occur - which, it seems, they frequently do.
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