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    Fascinating!!!! Polling feature activated. Interested in responses to this quite a bit!

    By Wayne Allyn Root

    (Las Vegas Review-Journal, April, 3 2013)



    Barack Hussein Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. On the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within. Barack Hussein Obama was my college classmate.(Columbia University, class of '83)



    He is a devout Muslim; do not be fooled. Look at his czars... Anti-business anti-American. As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Barack Hussein Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University... they outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands.



    Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a Socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival... And can be counted on to always vote for even bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.

    entitlements.jpg

    Universal Health Care:

    The Health Care bill has very little to do with healthcare. It has everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and healthcare workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesnt care that giving free healthcare to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

    Cap and Trade:

    Like healthcare legislation having nothing to do with healthcare, Cap and Trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obamas biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama spread the wealth around.



    Making Puerto Rico a state:

    Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers! But this has been Barack Hussein Obamas plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressmen and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.

    (This will tip the balance of those living off the government to more than those who must pay for it; and we're done for.)

    Legalize 12 million illegal Mexican immigrants:

    Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free healthcare alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America. But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security. (see note above re: Puerto Rico)



    Stimulus and bailouts.

    Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues).

    obamazombie.jpeg

    All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America. The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful.



    The ends justify the means. Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama).

    Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Barack Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition. With the acts outlined above, Barack Hussein Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.



    Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Hussein Obama using the Cloward-Piven Strategy.

    Last point: think about what this designed rule of the rabble will do to anyone successful and everyone receiving this is. What will your lives be like under Communism? The time to fight this abomination is now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seenbad View Post
    Fascinating!!!! Polling feature activated. Interested in responses to this quite a bit!

    By Wayne Allyn Root

    (Las Vegas Review-Journal, April, 3 2013)



    Barack Hussein Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. On the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within. Barack Hussein Obama was my college classmate.(Columbia University, class of '83)



    He is a devout Muslim; do not be fooled. Look at his czars... Anti-business anti-American. As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Barack Hussein Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University... they outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands.



    Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a Socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival... And can be counted on to always vote for even bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.

    entitlements.jpg

    Universal Health Care:

    The Health Care bill has very little to do with healthcare. It has everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and healthcare workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesnt care that giving free healthcare to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

    Cap and Trade:

    Like healthcare legislation having nothing to do with healthcare, Cap and Trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obamas biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama spread the wealth around.



    Making Puerto Rico a state:

    Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers! But this has been Barack Hussein Obamas plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressmen and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.

    (This will tip the balance of those living off the government to more than those who must pay for it; and we're done for.)

    Legalize 12 million illegal Mexican immigrants:

    Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free healthcare alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America. But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security. (see note above re: Puerto Rico)



    Stimulus and bailouts.

    Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues).

    obamazombie.jpeg

    All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America. The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful.



    The ends justify the means. Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama).

    Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Barack Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition. With the acts outlined above, Barack Hussein Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.



    Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Hussein Obama using the Cloward-Piven Strategy.

    Last point: think about what this designed rule of the rabble will do to anyone successful and everyone receiving this is. What will your lives be like under Communism? The time to fight this abomination is now.
    You left out the part of implanting everyone with chips after he has rendered paper money useless, therefore appeasing those against illegal immigration, black market transcations tied to drugs, arms deals, kidnapping. This is what I mean when I say Obama is an agent of Satan and possibly one of the most effective ever seen before.
    If this guy were to ask everyone to take the chip, there would be 3/4 of this country in line with their hands out ready for it.
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    The idea that Obama ushered in some socialist state is an utter fallacy. He is a statist, yes. But so is practically everyone else in Congress. There were socialist schemes in place before he was even born. In fact, every capitalist country in the world has elements of socialism.

    His healthcare idea - a product of CONGRESS, by the way, not Obama - is a terrible idea. But it is really no more socialist than the mess we had before he showed up. About half the healthcare dollars spent in this country already go through Medicare and Medicaid. Almost all the rest is subsidized by the government through private companies. Obamacare really only expands on that really crappy and outdated idea.

    When you are feeling socialist panic, remember this. His Republican opponent INVENTED Obamacare. And if Mitt Romney had won, an assault-weapons ban would have been passed after Sandy Hook along with an expanded background check. Why, you ask? Because Romney would have had to do SOMETHING, and Republicans would not have opposed him they way they did Obama.

    Sadly, this is about the best we can hope for. But this Muslim consiracy crap is just that. An Obama collapse may indeed bring about authoritarianism, maybe even a dictator. But history suggests that a mutiny doesn't behoove the "captain."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickslide View Post
    The idea that Obama ushered in some socialist state is an utter fallacy. He is a statist, yes. But so is practically everyone else in Congress. There were socialist schemes in place before he was even born. In fact, every capitalist country in the world has elements of socialism.

    His healthcare idea - a product of CONGRESS, by the way, not Obama - is a terrible idea. But it is really no more socialist than the mess we had before he showed up. About half the healthcare dollars spent in this country already go through Medicare and Medicaid. Almost all the rest is subsidized by the government through private companies. Obamacare really only expands on that really crappy and outdated idea.

    When you are feeling socialist panic, remember this. His Republican opponent INVENTED Obamacare. And if Mitt Romney had won, an assault-weapons ban would have been passed after Sandy Hook along with an expanded background check. Why, you ask? Because Romney would have had to do SOMETHING, and Republicans would not have opposed him they way they did Obama.

    Sadly, this is about the best we can hope for. But this Muslim consiracy crap is just that. An Obama collapse may indeed bring about authoritarianism, maybe even a dictator. But history suggests that a mutiny doesn't behoove the "captain."

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    Democrat or Republican doesnt matter, there is a society of this type of person and they are hell bent on carrying out this plan. You cannot deny this shit is happening right in front of you. And btw, I am not talking about the muslim shit, couldnt care less.
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    anyone who thinks that Obama is a "socialist"clearly never studied history or political science or economics, or if they did they certainly weren't paying attention.

    One can argue he's been a lousy president but this socialism thing is just right wing scare tactics. Nothing more.
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    If it were true he ran for office to wreck the system aka Manchurian Candidate then you would think that those who profit by the system would stage a coup? I'm no military man but the generals have to dislike this guy. In the end IF this stuff is true they would be the only hope we have because the citizens are mostly unengaged and soon to be disarmed.
    But generals could be bought off by either side in this struggle. I pray this scenario is not true but the more you study it the more sense it makes. Try to buy some ammo lately? The shelves are mostly empty for small caliber rounds. Plenty of shotgun shells though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardv View Post
    If it were true he ran for office to wreck the system aka Manchurian Candidate then you would think that those who profit by the system would stage a coup? I'm no military man but the generals have to dislike this guy. In the end IF this stuff is true they would be the only hope we have because the citizens are mostly unengaged and soon to be disarmed.
    But generals could be bought off by either side in this struggle. I pray this scenario is not true but the more you study it the more sense it makes. Try to buy some ammo lately? The shelves are mostly empty for small caliber rounds. Plenty of shotgun shells though.
    I just shopped online at Cabelas, actually. No real shortage of ammo for any caliber, although some are back ordered (see link below for a sample of inventory available to ship to your door.)

    I also just read a press release from Federal Premium Ammunition saying some of their product is on back order because of high demand from individual gun owners. Conspiracy theories are fun, but the ammo thing is a matter of people having more ammunition than ever, not the government creating a shortage.

    http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...0#productChart

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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardv View Post
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    As the human brain evolved over millions of years (or, for my Christian fundamentalist friends - as God created our brains originally), we developed a limbic system - a deep-rooted area of our brain which helped us find patterns (and anomalies in those patterns) in our surroundings.

    This came in especially handy when our ancestors could see the pattern of tall grasses broken up by tiger stripes. It was a survival mechanism we evolved and it remains part of our brain today. We see patterns all over the place and often those patterns lead us to false conclusions. (Think of seeing three 60-degree angles lined up just so. Your brain will "finish" a triangle for you. I'll try to link the image of that below.)

    Anyway, if you're inclined to believe the government is removing ammunition from the general public and you see your local outdoors shop's shelves bare, your mind completes the picture. But if ammunition is readily available through other suppliers, and the fact surfaces that ammunition is actually finding its way into the hands of individuals who are stocking up, you have to tell yourself the triangle isn't there, despite what the shelves at the Harrisburg, PA Bass Pro Shop indicate.


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    When the government orders 1.6 billion rounds not for the Army or Marines but for Department of Homeland Security it concerns me. Especially when we have a President who is on record stating we need a civilian military force. Sure people are buying like crazy when they can get it. But Uncle Sams orders get priority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardv View Post
    When the government orders 1.6 billion rounds not for the Army or Marines but for Department of Homeland Security it concerns me. Especially when we have a President who is on record stating we need a civilian military force. Sure people are buying like crazy when they can get it. But Uncle Sams orders get priority.
    I hear ya. There are some troubling signs out there. But I still gotta go with the available facts. No. 1 being, you can get ammunition for any caliber weapon online right now, and the good ol' UPS man will put it in your hands within a few days.

    This probably isn't a matter worth debating, really. Obviously I don't buy into the big picture conspiracy that the president has a master strategy to destroy America. That doesn't mean I'm at all pleased with his performance or policies, though. 2016 can't get here soon enough.

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    I absolutely can believe every word of that theory. No question.
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    I hear ya. There are some troubling signs out there. But I still gotta go with the available facts. No. 1 being, you can get ammunition for any caliber weapon online right now, and the good ol' UPS man will put it in your hands within a few days.

    This probably isn't a matter worth debating, really. Obviously I don't buy into the big picture conspiracy that the president has a master strategy to destroy America. That doesn't mean I'm at all pleased with his performance or policies, though. 2016 can't get here soon enough.

    there absolutely is a shortage of ammo right now and a cost increase that goes hand in hand... particularly .22 caliber
    I do a lot of business with Civilian Marksmanship Program and NRA competitive shooters and it's been a problem. lots of shooters could not get enough ammo on a regular basis to maintain their training and competitive schedules this year and opted out of the National championships.

    On one hand I received delivery of box after box after box that was shipped here to hold for shooters awaiting On the other hand I also dealt with venders who flat out told me that their supply sources were limited and that long lines were to be expected and a three box per customer kind of rule was going to be put into effect because of the hoarders

    I have a client who works for one of the ammo manufactures and he said that they are working overtime but nationwide there is just not enough manufacturing capacity to keep up with current consumer demand

    it's several things. It is demand of customers who are stock piling ammo based upon rumors of the government "buying it all up to keep it out of the public hands" which is untrue...how long do they think the government can keep buying "all the ammo"? indefinitely?

    the government is not buying 1.2 billion rounds...they have contracts out that say that they can buy UP TO 1.2 billion rounds and most of it is under Homeland security by name only....it's for something like 100 federal agencies and only bid out under DHS in order to get best bids


    Here's the NRA's take on the "ammo shortage"
    It’s George Soros Fault We Have So Little Ammo! Not.

    February 28, 2013 By Larry Keane


    The latest Internet rumor has George Soros owning “most of the ammunition manufacturing companies and many arms manufacturers as well.” It goes on to suggest that Soros and his few remaining competitors are selling new production only to the government, while the civilian market has been relegated to a fast-disappearing stock of old ammunition.

    If you’re like me, you check the ammunition shelves in every retailer you visit, and we all have felt the sinking feeling of seeing nothing but empty shelves. The trend is especially acute at the “Big Box” stores where speculators check every day to see if new shipments have arrived overnight. The gaps in the current ammunition supply are frustrating — but they are not a conspiracy
    Here’s the bottom line. George Soros does not own ANY manufacturers of ammunition or firearms. No manufacturer of either guns or ammunition has been ordered by the government to limit or alter its supply channels. All manufacturers are trying their best to catch up to this market, but it’s a simple matter of supply vs. demand. There is way too much demand for manufacturers to meet with supply. There is not enough tooling, infrastructure or raw materials at the ready anywhere in the entire world to keep up with current consumer demand. And that’s why we are seeing shortages.
    That begs the second question of why demand is so excessive. Part of the reason is the prevalence of scare-mongering rumors on the internet. The solution to that is not to forward them along, but to communicate with your elected lawmakers and urge them to vote against the pointless new restrictions on our rights that are under debate in Congress and many state legislatures. If we can restore rational debate, then demand will fall back to within manageable levels, and manufacturers can catch up and restore supply.

    Don’t be fooled by scare-mongering. Instead, make your voice heard and send a message to your elected lawmakers.




    now as for this item about Obama...I hear statements like this that take great care to repeatedly use the Hussein angle and after I read that, I understand the agenda and the rest is just blah blah blah

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToddE View Post
    As the human brain evolved over millions of years (or, for my Christian fundamentalist friends - as God created our brains originally), we developed a limbic system - a deep-rooted area of our brain which helped us find patterns (and anomalies in those patterns) in our surroundings.

    This came in especially handy when our ancestors could see the pattern of tall grasses broken up by tiger stripes. It was a survival mechanism we evolved and it remains part of our brain today. We see patterns all over the place and often those patterns lead us to false conclusions. (Think of seeing three 60-degree angles lined up just so. Your brain will "finish" a triangle for you. I'll try to link the image of that below.)

    Anyway, if you're inclined to believe the government is removing ammunition from the general public and you see your local outdoors shop's shelves bare, your mind completes the picture. But if ammunition is readily available through other suppliers, and the fact surfaces that ammunition is actually finding its way into the hands of individuals who are stocking up, you have to tell yourself the triangle isn't there, despite what the shelves at the Harrisburg, PA Bass Pro Shop indicate.

    I hear you, I have questions too. I just don't want to stand next to you when JESUS shows up, That's all. Van Halen was a great example of a group of guys that practiced music to me, period. By the way, did you hear a Lamborghini just made itself in the desert?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Punch View Post
    I hear you, I have questions too. I just don't want to stand next to you when JESUS shows up, That's all. Van Halen was a great example of a group of guys that practiced music to me, period. By the way, did you hear a Lamborghini just made itself in the desert?
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