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    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu posted a video on Facebook Thursday showing a verbal spat between him and an Arab Member of Knesset that took place the night before over which people inhabited the Holy Land first – the Jews or the Palestinians.

    He headlined the video, “The Conflict in Under a Minute.”

    The exchange began when Member of Knesset Jamal Zahalka who heads the progressive Balad Party (National Democratic Assembly) rejected Jewish claims to the Holy Land, saying “We [Palestinians] were here before you. I was here before you. And we will still be here after you.”

    Other Members of Knesset are seen in the audience protesting Zahalka.

    Netanyahu then approached the podium and said, “I did not plan to speak, but I heard Member of Knesset Zahalka’s statement. You said, ‘We were here before you and we’ll be here after you’re gone.’ The first part is not true and the second part will never happen.”

    After making that short statement, Netanyahu slapped the podium and stepped down. Seated lawmakers are seen in the video applauding enthusiastically.

    Though he doesn’t use Twitter that frequently – his last post was in early July – Netanyahu linked to the video and tweeted, “The conflict twitterized: MK Zahalka: We were here B4 U & will B here after U. PM Netanyahu: 1st part isn’t true & 2nd part won’t happen!”

    Israel Hayom explains the background which led to the exchange:

    Late Wednesday night, the Knesset voted on a bill to make the controversial “referendum law” a basic law, which would necessitate a national referendum on any peace deal that would require territorial withdrawals.

    During the plenum debate, Arab MK Jamal Zahalka (National Democratic Assembly) said that the bill was irrelevant because it referred to “occupied territory, and as such, what applies is international law; the referendum should apply to the nations of the world.”

    Zahalka was subsequently heckled by Habayit Hayehudi [Jewish Home Party] lawmakers, who said, “You are the foreigners in this land,” to which Zahalka responded, “We were here before you and we will be here after you.”

    Israel Hayom reports that Zahalka later issued a clarification that his statement was directed “against racists, not Jews.”

    The Balad Party opposes the concept of Israel as a Jewish state, and promotes the idea of a bi-national state for Jews and Arabs.

    The subject of the verbal exchange – that is, the Jewish historical connection to the Land of Israel – was a key theme of Netanyahu’s address to the United Nations General Assembly last September.

    “The Jewish people have lived in the land of Israel for thousands of years. Even after most of our people were exiled from it, Jews continued to live in the land of Israel throughout the ages,” he said then.

    “The masses of our people never gave up the dream of returning to our ancient homeland. Defying the laws of history, we did just that. We ingathered the exiles, restored our independence and rebuilt our national life. The Jewish people have come home,” Netanyahu added.

    “We will never be uprooted again,” he said.

    Divorcing Jews from their ancient homeland is a common theme among Palestinian officials, who regularly accuse Israel of “Judaizing Jerusalem.” Israeli archaeological officials have for years been protesting Muslim religious authorities in Jerusalem for discarding valuable Jewish artifacts in an effort to erase evidence of Jewish history in the Holy Land, including on the Temple Mount, the holiest site in Judaism.

    Here is the video from the Knesset Wednesday night:

    (click on captions 'cc' for translation)

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    If they took a world wide poll and asked "Who occupied Israel/Palestine first?" I think the overwhelming majority of the planet would answer that the Jews did. A case could be made by the very existence of the Torah(or Old Testament?) some several thousand years before any muslim book was written. It is too bad the middle east is a mess because I know a lot of people would like to see Israel someday were it not for the constant fighting.
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    the truth is neither group knows was there first. Nothing like people aruging over something that happened thousands of years ago like it had happened last tuesday. Anyways, weren't the Philistines thought to have been the first people to occupy that part of the world?

    I agree with DP though, it would be nice if they'd stop fighting so people could visit the Holy Land and not have to worry about a bomb exploding that week.

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    The Earth is almost 197 million square miles (including water). So let's just assume without looking it up that 65 million of that is land.

    Israel is almost 8,000 square miles, and the Jews are the most persecuted race in the world's history. Can't we just let them have 0.000123 or 0.012% of the land in the world without everyone making such a big stink about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    The Earth is almost 197 million square miles (including water). So let's just assume without looking it up that 65 million of that is land.

    Israel is almost 8,000 square miles, and the Jews are the most persecuted race in the world's history. Can't we just let them have 0.000123 or 0.012% of the land in the world without everyone making such a big stink about it?

    doesn't really seem that hard, does it?

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    As a white American, I'm not commenting on a "we were on this land first" argument. I don't have much of a leg to stand on, if you think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToddE View Post
    As a white American, I'm not commenting on a "we were on this land first" argument. I don't have much of a leg to stand on, if you think about it.
    This might make you feel better. There is a hypothesis that Europeans immigrated to North America somewhere between 17 -20 years ago. It's called the Solutrean Hypothesis. If true, that means native American's were a mix between these people and others who came over the Bering Land bridge. So you really were just stealing from a really old European mix.

    Actually the whole settling of America is interesting. Not saying that hypothesis is true or credible but the whole Land Bridge theory pretty much has been invalidated. People were living in the America's far before that whole concept.

    Ok back to topic at hand.

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    To trace the origins of any race is speculation. According to the History 2 channel it all depends on where the aliens dropped us off at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    This might make you feel better. There is a hypothesis that Europeans immigrated to North America somewhere between 17 -20 years ago. It's called the Solutrean Hypothesis. If true, that means native American's were a mix between these people and others who came over the Bering Land bridge. So you really were just stealing from a really old European mix.

    Actually the whole settling of America is interesting. Not saying that hypothesis is true or credible but the whole Land Bridge theory pretty much has been invalidated. People were living in the America's far before that whole concept.

    Ok back to topic at hand.

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    Fact: We're all related to each other.

    Who was there first? They both had relatives living there, because they have the same fucking relatives. We all do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToddE View Post
    As a white American, I'm not commenting on a "we were on this land first" argument. I don't have much of a leg to stand on, if you think about it.
    I'm technically Native American, and even I don't give a shit about what happened to the Native Americans.

    We were conquered, it's happened thousands of times before, and it will keep happening until the world is dust, the amount of arguing about who was where first is really pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    I'm technically Native American, and even I don't give a shit about what happened to the Native Americans.

    We were conquered, it's happened thousands of times before, and it will keep happening until the world is dust, the amount of arguing about who was where first is really pointless.
    Thank you for reiterating the exact point I was making.

    The "we were here first" argument hasn't meant much on an historical level. Pointless argument to make - you're exactly right.

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    Well if one really thinks about it, we are all related. Doesn't matter if you are talking about 6 days of creation or evolution.

    Heck even the Native Americans fought, conquered tribes. An interesting book about how they lived is called 1491 which pretty much breaks down all the misconceptions of what is passed down.

    Anyway back on the original topic, Jewish people have been screwed over. Sorry to anybody who got kicked out. Maybe the UN can pay each of them a settlement to move to Iran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    I'm technically Native American, and even I don't give a shit about what happened to the Native Americans.

    We were conquered, it's happened thousands of times before, and it will keep happening until the world is dust, the amount of arguing about who was where first is really pointless.
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