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    Default "With Any Luck" America Won't Be Lone Superpower In 20 Years



    CHRIS MATTHEWS: Andrew, are we going to be - being we Americans, you included - are we going to be the great, are we still going to use that word superpower? I don't even like it very much. The lone superpower. Are we going to be that 20 years from now?

    ANDREW SULLIVAN: With any luck we won't be. We will understand what the founders understood. When you leave America and you go back and you look at it from like over here, and you see this giant continent with two vast oceans in between it, and it feels it's paranoid and terrified of the rest of the world, and wants to have this enormous military industrial complex to control it, you just scratch your head after a while and realize that Eisenhower was on to something. So was Washington, so was Jefferson. I think the transition to a post-imperial America is coming. I think it’s overdue and I welcome it.
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    Many on here will blast me for it, but I agree with Andew Sullivan on this, and Eisenhower, a Republican, was absolutely 100% correct.

    We have so many problems here at home that we are not addressing so that we can have our imperial foot print all over the globe. Other great empires have gone down the same exact path to their own ruination, and we are not smart enough to know that history usually repeats itself.
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    i guess it depends on your definition of superpower. America will be still be a military and economic power in 20 years I'd be willing to bet. Will they have troops in as many parts of the world? I doubt it. But's that doesn't mean they're not a superpower but rather that they just have better foreign policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    i guess it depends on your definition of superpower. America will be still be a military and economic power in 20 years I'd be willing to bet. Will they have troops in as many parts of the world? I doubt it. But's that doesn't mean they're not a superpower but rather that they just have better foreign policy.
    Your out of your mind. The US military footprint is huge, and we are unfortunately not going to reduce it, unless we get a President who actually has some balls and realizes where the real danger to the United States is as a country.

    It isn't some radical extremist in a cave in Pakistan, it is the incredibly burgeoning debt that our nation is piling on. Our debt should be our number one priority as a nation. It is not only an economic danger, but it is also a security risk.

    If China and Russia wanted to, they could wreck the US economy today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Your out of your mind. The US military footprint is huge, and we are unfortunately not going to reduce it, unless we get a President who actually has some balls and realizes where the real danger to the United States is as a country.

    It isn't some radical extremist in a cave in Pakistan, it is the incredibly burgeoning debt that our nation is piling on. Our debt should be our number one priority as a nation. It is not only an economic danger, but it is also a security risk.

    If China and Russia wanted to, they could wreck the US economy today.
    if you don't you'll be bankrupt in 20 years. At some point you'll going to elect someone who has some math skills. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    if you don't you'll be bankrupt in 20 years. At some point you'll going to elect someone who has some math skills. Right?

    Why start now?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Your out of your mind. The US military footprint is huge, and we are unfortunately not going to reduce it, unless we get a President who actually has some balls and realizes where the real danger to the United States is as a country.

    It isn't some radical extremist in a cave in Pakistan, it is the incredibly burgeoning debt that our nation is piling on. Our debt should be our number one priority as a nation. It is not only an economic danger, but it is also a security risk.

    If China and Russia wanted to, they could wreck the US economy today.
    A President with some balls might not live very long.
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    I wouldn't be surprised in 20 years that the United States is the only true superpower. It will really depend on the global ambitions of China and Russia. Unless the US depletes its nuclear arsenal it will be a superpower. It can destroy any country many times over in about 20 minutes. Plus it still and will still have a fleet of Aircraft Carriers which can be deployed anywhere in the world. If you have a Navy, you control the seas which controls international commerce.

    China of course can change the emphasis from coastal to oceanic but they will receive push back from the United States, Japan and Australia.

    Then you have drone and high altitude technology which will replace the need for troops or air power. Manned combat will be much more limited and the United States will be at the forefront. Think of the Iraq and Afghan wars like what the Spanish Civil war did for the Axis in WW2. Training and more training for the change in tactics of the 21st century.

    That said, I imagine Russia, China and India will be more powerful however you also have nations that traditionally don't like each other. Therefore you can see the United States cozying up to India similar to Nixon with China in the 70's

    Europe and the UK in 20 years will be too interested in the Royal Couple's kid being 20 years and fronting a boy band.

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