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    Default Obama strongly considers withdrawing all troops from Afghanistan in 2014

    President Barack Obama is seriously considering withdrawing all U.S. troops from Afghanistan in 2014, a senior administration official told CNN.

    The official's comments came after The New York Times reported the administration was looking at speeding up the troop withdrawal to the "zero option," leaving no troops in Afghanistan.

    Until now, U.S. and Afghan officials had been discussing plans to keep a small force behind to fight insurgents and to train Afghan security personnel.

    But Obama has, in recent months, grown increasingly frustrated in dealing with Afghan President Hamid Karzai.



    Their relationship soured further last month after the United States and the Taliban planned peace talks. In response, Karzai cut off negotiations with the United States on the residual troop presence post-2014.

    A "zero option" has always been among the scenarios the United States envisioned. But the new revelation means that it could be a very possible one now.

    If the United States pulls out all its troops, it will be a situation similar to that in Iraq.

    The refusal by the Iraqi government to extend legal protections for U.S. troops after the end of the war in Iraq was a major reason the United States left the country with no residual military training force.

    Karzai has said he would like for U.S. troops to remain after the end of the NATO mission. But he also has been highly critical of the troops over the years, following incidents in which U.S. forces have killed civilians.


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    I'm all for it! Although I admit that is an emotional based feeling. i have no idea if it would affect us negatively or not.

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    I strongly disagree with this, it totally negates the purpose of us being there in the first place. I believe we should have permanent military presence because as soon as we are gone the whole country is going to be one big training base for radical islamists. Not to mention all of the lives that were lost there to insure that very thing doesnt ever happen again.

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    I don't support Obama on many issues but I will back him on this.

    Sometimes you have to cut bait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    I don't support Obama on many issues but I will back him on this.

    Sometimes you have to cut bait.
    I believe in this case cutting bait will entice an all out recruiting campaign for al queda/ taliban.
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    Nations with no money shouldn't have their troops stationed in foreign countries on an ongoing basis unless those countries are paying the full cost of it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Punch View Post
    I strongly disagree with this, it totally negates the purpose of us being there in the first place. I believe we should have permanent military presence because as soon as we are gone the whole country is going to be one big training base for radical islamists. Not to mention all of the lives that were lost there

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    Good money and good lives are being wasted. Cut the loses.

    Also, I think this has a lot to do with 2016... Hillary likely doesn't want to have to deal with this when she runs.

    As mike said, no money - no troops. As Ron Paul said, protect your border first... Having those troops at home would be a lot more beneficial and save lives.

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    You might as well bring the troops home because coexistence on the Jihadists part is never going to happen . We are out of real dollars and 12 yrs of this pseudo occupation needs to end.However,I would leave a warning to the Jihadists . It would say if you ever attack US soil again we are going to make a parking lot out of your lands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Punch View Post
    I believe in this case cutting bait will entice an all out recruiting campaign for al queda/ taliban.
    Yeah probably but we are far more aware today than we were on 9-10. Drone technology probably won't leave that area plus I am sure we will have specialists on the ground performing recon missions. It's not like 12 years ago where we had zero assets in the area.

    There also are hot spots all around the world which house terrorists. It's not like every terrorist organization is requiring us to leave in order to execute their plans. We have been over there since 2002 and terrorist attacks have occurred all over the world. The Boston bombers lived here. They didn't require a country to take action against us. I fully expect terror attacks to continue on in my life. With or without troops in Afghanistan.

    I feel sorry for letting that country go to the wolves but I am tired of spending the money and losing lives. We are only occupying land. We are not changing the culture. It's like trying to make this site realize the genius of VH3. You can sit here in these forums trying to persuade people how great the album his but you are never going to convince people that its equal to CVH Or Van Hagar.

    Eventually you just have to raise your hands up and say "I'm done."

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    It has to be done.
    But it shouldn't stop there. I don't know why America still has some military bases in Germany, for that matter, a rich country with absolutely no risk of being attacked whatsoever. There would be TONS of ways to reduce expenses. Of course it would also upset a lot of the people having an interest in said expenses going on, and on, and on...
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    Default Obama strongly considers withdrawing all troops from Afghanistan in 2014

    Yep...it's like two people debating passionately: eventually you reach a point where continuing the conversation does no good. We've reached that point long ago in A-land. Time to bail.

    Been to that part of the world and we're done changing it. Afghanistan is like an addict: no one's gonna force it to "sober up"...they'll have to make that decision on their own. Time to bail.

    Sure, the Taliban is waiting for us to leave, and us leaving will trigger the biggest Taliban recruiting drive in history. No shit! However, like someone said a post or two ago, we have a greater threat picture than we did on 9-10. We may leave the area, but we're not "leaving the area". And that's all I'm gonna say about that.
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