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    Default 6 dead in Santa Monica, CA

    I'm in shock:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/07/us/cal...html?hpt=hp_t1

    Santa Monica is the most relaxed community you could imagine. It's a chill beach town. I can't believe it happened there. I don't care where you live, if it happened there, it can happen anywhere. We used to feel safe at the beach here. Now all this is gone.

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    can't go more than a few weeks it seems without some sort of multiple killing. Just disgraceful.

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    Considering Californeeya has some of the toughest gun laws in the country, it's obvious the laws DON'T work. And adding more laws to ones that are an abysmal failure (like Chicago's) WILL NOT WORK.

    Maybe allowing law abiding citizens to conceal carry will start preventing further carnage, once the shootings start?

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    Prayers to the dead, their family and friends. The rest of you can argue this shit until your eyes bleed.

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    There's some rough parts of SM man...my wife actually lived in them when she was little. It was definitely the hood.

    But another senseless tragedy.
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    The AP Reports: http://thesouthern.com/news/national...dadb022f2.html

    Jerry Cunningham Rathner, who lives near the house that caught fire, said she heard gunshots and came out onto her porch to see a man shooting at the residence. Soon, the building erupted in flames and was billowing smoke.

    The gunman, dressed in black and wearing an ammunition belt, pointed a rifle at a woman in a car and told her to pull over, Cunningham Rathner said. He then signaled to a second car, also driven by a woman, to slow down and began firing into the vehicle.

    "He fired three to four shots into the car _ boom, boom, boom, right at her," said Cunningham Rathner, who went to the woman's aid and saw she was wounded in the shoulder.

    She said the gunman then abducted the woman in the first car and drove away.

    From there, the chaos shifted to Santa Monica College, located among homes and strip malls more than a mile inland from the city's famous Santa Monica Pier, Third Street Promenade and its expansive, sandy beaches.

    The two-year college, spread out across 38 acres, has about 34,000 students.

    Jimes Gillespie, 20, told The Associated Press he was in the library studying when he heard gunfire, and he and dozens of other students began fleeing the three-story building.

    "As I was running down the stairs I saw one of the gunmen," said Gillespie, who described the shooter as a white man in his 20s, wearing cornrows in his hair and black overalls.

    As he ran across campus, he said he saw a car in front of the English building that was riddled with bullet holes, had shattered windows and a baby's car seat in the back.

    In a staff parking lot, college employee Joe Orcutt said he saw the gunman standing calmly with his weapon, looking as though he was trying to determine which people to shoot at.

    "I turn around and that's when he's just standing there, like he's modeling for some ammo magazine," Orcutt said. "He was very calm just standing there, panning around, seeing who he could shoot, one bullet at a time, like target practice."

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    Conceal and carry in SM? Have you ever been there? People in SM by and large don't own guns and don't know how to use them.
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    Dude there are terrible parts of SM. You know this right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Conceal and carry in SM? Have you ever been there? People in SM by and large don't own guns and don't know how to use them.
    Yes, I have been there. I don't care where you live. It can happen anywhere, at anytime. Bad people will go where there's the least resistance. Here in Iowa, where the CCW laws changed from "can issue" to "shall issue", our occurrence of random shootings dropped...ESPECIALLY in our larger cities. Bad people have a tendency to not go around shooting at people if they know there's a chance of armed opposition.

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    Have they caught the perpetrator(s)?

    I'd be very interested to know his background, and how he came by his gun(s).

    The first thing to be said though is how despicable these events are - quite frankly, I am SICK of reading about them. They disgust and frighten me, and my heart goes out to all those people caught up in them.

    Secondly, as this thread will almost inevitably descend into the usual pro / anti firearms argument, I thought I'd post this very interesting link which shows the world's distribution of civilian firearms, the number of homicides - and the correlation between the two.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...-homicides-map
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    the answer is never as simple as "we need more gun owners" or "we need less gun owners". As long as that is the debate then nothing will get fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Conceal and carry in SM? Have you ever been there? People in SM by and large don't own guns and don't know how to use them.
    Seriously? Why don't you fuckers arm yourselves? God damn! You run around like girls asking for help all the fucking time...every fucking time. The difference between two people shot by some crazy perp or twenty, is very simple. Out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by track 5 View Post
    Seriously? Why don't you fuckers arm yourselves? God damn! You run around like girls asking for help all the fucking time...every fucking time. The difference between two people shot by some crazy perp or twenty, is very simple. Out.

    Probably because of stories like this.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/08...ad-in-arizona/

    Everyone being armed creates a whole new set of problems.

 

 

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