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    The Obama administration has been collecting the phone records of millions of U.S. customers of Verizon under a top secret court order, according to a British newspaper report which raised new and troubling privacy questions.

    While the administration defended its authority to seize phone records -- and stressed that it does not monitor calls -- one civil liberties group called this the "broadest surveillance order to ever have been issued."

    "It requires no level of suspicion and applies to all Verizon subscribers anywhere in the U.S.," the Center for Constitutional Rights said in a statement.

    Speaking to Fox News, a senior administration official would not confirm the report in the Guardian newspaper -- but did not deny it either. The report follows revelations that the Justice Department was seizing the phone records of journalists, including at Fox News, in the course of leak probes.

    The order, a copy of which apparently was obtained by The Guardian, reportedly was granted by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court on April 25 and is good until July 19.

    It requires Verizon, one of the nation's largest telecommunications companies, on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the U.S. and between the U.S. and other countries.

    The text of the order, as published by The Guardian, says that "the Custodian of Records shall produce to the National Security Agency (NSA) upon service of this Order, and continue production on an ongoing daily basis thereafter for the duration of this Order, unless otherwise ordered by the Court, an electronic copy of the" the records in question.

    The newspaper claims the document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of U.S. citizens were being collected indiscriminately and in bulk, regardless of whether they were suspected of any wrongdoing.

    Neither Fox News nor the Associated Press could not authenticate the report as of early Thursday.

    Under the terms of the order, the phone numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls, The Guardian said.

    A senior administration official told Fox News a FISA court order would not allow the government to listen in on anyone's phone calls, saying that all the government would be able to collect would be metadata such as the telephone number or the length of the call.

    The official also said that any court orders issued under FISA are subject to "strict controls" to ensure the rights of citizens are not violated.

    "Information of the sort described in the Guardian article has been a critical tool in protecting the nation from terrorist threats to the United States, as it allows counterterrorism personnel to discover whether known or suspected terrorists have been in contact with other persons who may be engaged in terrorist activities, particularly people located inside the United States," the official said.

    But Jameel Jaffer, American Civil Liberties Union deputy legal director, called the measure "beyond Orwellian."

    "From a civil liberties perspective, the program could hardly be any more alarming. It's a program in which some untold number of innocent people have been put under the constant surveillance of government agents," Jaffer said in a statement.

    If true, the broad, unlimited nature of the records being handed over to the NSA is unusual. FISA court orders typically direct the production of records pertaining to a specific named target suspected of being an agent of a terrorist group or foreign state, or a finite set of individually named targets. NSA warrantless wiretapping during the George W. Bush administration after the 9/11 attacks was very controversial.

    The FISA court order, signed by Judge Roger Vinson, compelled Verizon to produce to the NSA electronic copies of "all call detail records or telephony metadata created by Verizon for communications between the United States and abroad" or "wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls," The Guardian said.

    The law on which the order explicitly relies is the "business records" provision of the USA Patriot Act.

    Verizon Communications Inc. listed 121 million customers in its first-quarter earnings report this April -- 98.9 million wireless customers, 11.7 million residential phone lines and about 10 million commercial lines. The court order didn't specify which type of phone customers' records were being tracked.



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    Well, they've invaded the privacy of the citizens, attempted a full on assault on the 1st and 2nd Amendments, used the IRS to harass political groups that didn't agree with the President...

    ...it's sad I'm no longer shocked or surprised.

    Remember when the biggest scandal of this presidency was when he wasted billions of dollars on loans to his biggest supporters? That wouldn't even make the news these days. If it did, it would almost seem like good news compared to this crap.
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    Blkynboy is on the top of that list. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    Well, they've invaded the privacy of the citizens, attempted a full on assault on the 1st and 2nd Amendments, used the IRS to harass political groups that didn't agree with the President...

    ...it's sad I'm no longer shocked or surprised.

    Remember when the biggest scandal of this presidency was when he wasted billions of dollars on loans to his biggest supporters? That wouldn't even make the news these days. If it did, it would almost seem like good news compared to this crap.
    My God, what is happening to this country?? No wonder the Dept. of Homeland security bought 1.2 billion rounds, people will eventually stand up to this bullshit someday.
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    Another sad detail of the story is it was broken by the Guardian, a UK paper.

    Way to go US Press.

    Is this just the tip of the iceberg?

    I just had a conversation with people at work about this. The general consensus is that the govt having all their phone data isn't that big a deal, since they're not the bad guys.

    I tried to explain why it's not exactly kosher, but I caught myself sounding like Alex Jones wearing a tin foil hat.

    I wish people in general would get just a little more pissed off about this kind of stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    Well, they've invaded the privacy of the citizens, attempted a full on assault on the 1st and 2nd Amendments, used the IRS to harass political groups that didn't agree with the President...

    ...it's sad I'm no longer shocked or surprised.

    Remember when the biggest scandal of this presidency was when he wasted billions of dollars on loans to his biggest supporters? That wouldn't even make the news these days. If it did, it would almost seem like good news compared to this crap.
    I'm sure over the years PLENTY has been going on behind the scenes with the government. It just seems to be a lot harder to be discrete these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickett View Post
    Another sad detail of the story is it was broken by the Guardian, a UK paper.

    Way to go US Press.

    Is this just the tip of the iceberg?

    I just had a conversation with people at work about this. The general consensus is that the govt having all their phone data isn't that big a deal, since they're not the bad guys.

    I tried to explain why it's not exactly kosher, but I caught myself sounding like Alex Jones wearing a tin foil hat.

    I wish people in general would get just a little more pissed off about this kind of stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocknblues81 View Post
    THEY know more that goes on in this country than we do.
    Investigative journalism is one of the few things we do really well in this country, it has to be said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocknblues81 View Post
    THEY know more that goes on in this country than we do.
    they probably hacked into the phones of the people that were talking about it!

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    GOV’T ALSO TAPPING SERVERS OF 9 MAJOR INTERNET COMPANIES TO COLLECT AMERICANS’ DOCUMENTS, PHOTOS, AUDIO

    The National Security Agency and FBI are interested in more than just your phone records — they are also interested in your audio, video, photographs, emails, documents, and connection logs, according to a bombshell report from The Washington Post.

    Although the massive Internet surveillance program, code-named “PRISM,” reportedly began in 2007, we are only now learning about it because an anonymous intelligence officer apparently leaked the information to the press.

    “Firsthand experience with these systems, and horror at their capabilities, is what drove a career intelligence officer to provide PowerPoint slides about PRISM and supporting materials,” the report notes, “in order to expose what he believes to be a gross intrusion on privacy.”

    “They quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type,” the officer said.


    PRISM collects data from nine tech companies. Here’s a slide from the leaked PowerPoint presentation. (WaPo)



    But how, exactly, are the feds tapping directly into the central servers and getting their hands on online users’ information? With the assistance of major technology companies, of course:

    The technology companies, which participate knowingly in PRISM operations, include most of the dominant global players of Silicon Valley. They are listed on a roster that bears their logos in order of entry into the program: “Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.”

    For some of these companies, they had no choice but to comply with the feds.

    “Formally, in exchange for immunity from lawsuits, companies like Yahoo and AOL are obliged accept a ‘directive’ from the attorney general and the director of national intelligence to open their servers to the FBI’s Data Intercept Technology Unit, which handles liaison to U.S. companies from the NSA,” the Post reports.

    “In 2008, Congress gave the Justice Department authority … for a secret order from the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Court to compel a reluctant company ‘to comply,’” it adds.

    In short, the feds have strong-armed a few reluctant tech companies into playing along with the program.

    “In practice, there is room for a company to maneuver, delay or resist. When a clandestine intelligence program meets a highly regulated industry,” the report continues, “neither side wants to risk a public fight.”

    “The engineering problems are so immense, in systems of such complexity and frequent change, that the FBI and NSA would be hard pressed to build in back doors without active help from each company.”

    Microsoft became PRISM’s first corporate partner in 2007, according to the leaked 41-slide PowerPoint presentation, followed shortly by Yahoo, Google, and Facebook. Apple didn’t join until after the death of Steve Jobs, five years after the start of PRISM.

    Unsurprisingly, spokesmen for the major tech companies deny any knowledge of PRISM.

    Here’s what Google said:

    Google cares deeply about the security of our users’ data. We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government “back door” into our systems, but Google does not have a back door for the government to access private user data.

    Meanwhile, a spokesman for Apple told The Guardian that he had  “never heard” of PRISM.

    An official statement released by Facebook claims the social networking sight has never given the feds “direct” access to its servers (the word “direct” may be key here).


    The program is so secretive that the members of Congress who do know about it are apparently unable comment on it due to their oaths of office.

    Here’s how The Washington Post reports the story:

    An internal presentation on the Silicon Valley operation, intended for senior analysts in the NSA’s Signals Intelligence Directorate, described the new tool as the most prolific contributor to the President’s Daily Brief, which cited PRISM data in 1,477 articles last year. According to the briefing slides, obtained by The Washington Post, “NSA reporting increasingly relies on PRISM” as its leading source of raw material, accounting for nearly 1 in 7 intelligence reports.

    That is a remarkable figure in an agency that measures annual intake in the trillions of communications. It is all the more striking because the NSA, whose lawful mission is foreign intelligence, is reaching deep inside the machinery of American companies that host hundreds of millions of American-held accounts on American soil.

    Under President Obama, the program has allegedly enjoyed “exponential growth” since its founding in 2007 when then-Senator Obama routinely criticized President George W. Bush’s surveillance programs.

    “The PRISM program is not a dragnet, exactly. From inside a company’s data stream the NSA is capable of pulling out anything it likes, but under current rules the agency does not try to collect it all,” the report notes.

    “Analysts who use the system from a Web portal at Fort Meade key in ‘selectors,’ or search terms, that are designed to produce at least 51 percent confidence in a target’s ‘foreignness.’”

    “That is not a very stringent test. Training materials obtained by the Post instruct new analysts to submit accidentally collected U.S. content for a quarterly report, ‘but it’s nothing to worry about,’” it adds.


    But here are some really frightening details:

    Even when the system works just as advertised, with no American singled out for targeting, the NSA routinely collects a great deal of American content. That is described as “incidental,” and it is inherent in contact chaining, one of the basic tools of the trade. To collect on a suspected spy or foreign terrorist means, at minimum, that everyone in the suspect’s inbox or outbox is swept in. Intelligence analysts are typically taught to chain through contacts two “hops” out from their target, which increases “incidental collection” exponentially.


    Full report: http://www.washingtonpost.com/invest...7_story_1.html


    Leaked PowerPoint: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...ion-documents/
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    At least some of the politicians are being consistent, even if I disagree with them.

    Feinstein was a big supporter of the Patriot Act under Bush II, and is still a big supporter of snooping on American citizens. So while I disagree with the Patriot Act, the NDAA and other intrusions on our rights, as least she isn't just being a slave to her party on this issue.

    And Paul was against at least the warrantless searches aspect of the Patriot Act, so he is being consistent as well, he was against it under Bush II and is against now under Obama.

    That is at least a start, our elected officials forming their positions not based upon who is in the White House, but on the issues themselves. Even though I disagree with Senator Feinstein, I can at least respect her consistency on the issue.
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    I assume my nation does the same and I have no issue with this type of thing at all.

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    I don't understand how anyone can think that the government keeping track of everything you do is ok.

    It requires an immense amount of trust in the government to think that way. I have about zero trust in the United States government.
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