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    Default VH3 15th anniversary / Tribute to Gary


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    Yes, Gary did have the toughest job in rock!

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    That "15 Years Ago" article is very well written, Jeff. I think you summed up that period perfectly.
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    Yeah, Gary had it tough. But I don't think the problem with VH3 was Gary's singing. It was the serious tone of the album. It was like a funeral procession compared to the previous albums. Dave got the party started and brought the keg. Sammy kept the party going and threw in a few ballads. Then Gary showed up. He didn't just shut the party down--he turned the house lights on, locked the liquor cabinet, and told everyone to go home. Lol.

    The tone of the album wasn't all Gary's fault though. At that time, I think Eddie was rebelling against his band's legacy. In interviews leading up the album's release, I could tell he was tired of the "party band" image. He wanted to be taken seriously as a musician--not just a rock n' roll guitar player. But Eddie must have forgotten that most people don't fire up a Van Halen album to hear about politics and deep relationships. People want to have some fun and escape from their boring dead end jobs--even if its only for a little while.

    For me personally, I thought there were some cool bits here and there in Van Halen 3, but overall, it was an incredible misfire. I think people wanted Gary to simply keep the party going and leave the political crap to Bono.
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    Great article.

    I actually liked the detour to another musical direction. But it wasn't something all that new that VHIII brought to the band. Some of the stuff during Sam's time also ventured into this area, especially to be heard on Balance and for example Human's Being. So it was actually the way VH (or rather EVH) wanted to go at the time.

    Leaving the mix aside, the album was a gutsy move and I appreciate the band for doing it.

    Gary is a great, incredibly musically gifted guy. I am glad he is back at home with Extreme where we will hopefully sooner than later get a new album out of the guys. If you've never been to an Extreme concert, seeing them on stage - now that is chemistry. Being to a few VH concerts, VH has never shown that much energy, interaction and cohesion within the band as Extreme has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashe View Post
    Yeah, Gary had it tough. But I don't think the problem with VH3 was Gary's singing. It was the serious tone of the album. It was like a funeral procession compared to the previous albums. Dave got the party started and brought the keg. Sammy kept the party going and threw in a few ballads. Then Gary showed up. He didn't just shut the party down--he turned the house lights on, locked the liquor cabinet, and told everyone to go home. Lol.

    The tone of the album wasn't all Gary's fault though. At that time, I think Eddie was rebelling against his band's legacy. In interviews leading up the album's release, I could tell he was tired of the "party band" image. He wanted to be taken seriously as a musician--not just a rock n' roll guitar player. But Eddie must have forgotten that most people don't fire up a Van Halen album to hear about politics and deep relationships. People want to have some fun and escape from their boring dead end jobs--even if its only for a little while.

    For me personally, I thought there were some cool bits here and there in Van Halen 3, but overall, it was an incredible misfire. I think people wanted Gary to simply keep the party going and leave the political crap to Bono.
    I think you hit the nail on the head 100%.

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    He did have the toughest job, but That's Why I Love you wouldn't have helped at all. Not a good song at all.

    Gary just didn't have the right voice for VH. Yeah, he could hit a lot of Sammy's notes, although he sounded like he was going to get a hernia doing it, and bringing the old Dave tunes out on tour was great. (hell, in Charlotte, he came down in the crowd during ATBL and I sang it with him)

    But his voice just didn't fit, IMO
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    I really liked parts of vh3 but the production was awful on it.

    To this day the concert I saw on that tour is the best I've ever seen.

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    Van Halen III: You wanted an Eddie Van Halen solo record; you got an Eddie Van Halen solo record.
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    When I saw the 3 tour I just did not know what to expect. I thought the album was yuck but I went to the concert to get my fix of the brothers. I saw them at Nissan Pavillion in Bristow VA. The place was so empty past the sound board that half way through the show Gary said to the few who were on the lawn to come on in the seating bowl. They did some old Dave tunes which was the highlight of the night for me since it was 1984 that I last heard then do Dave era stuff live. Gary was ok but the party atmosphere from the Balance tour and the early Dave years was absent.
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    I'm totally in the minority on this, but I think Josephina was the best song on VH3. And, I thought at first Gary would be a great fit, because in Extreme, he was a great vocalist. Pushing him to the upper registers all the time to sound like Sammy was a mistake. The band should have written songs in Gary's vocal style and range...

    Oh well - they paid for that in spades, didn't they?

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    I still do not 'dislike' this album like most people..it was different, yes. But ed had to go there I guess. Even Al said eddie needed to do that record for himself. And so, we have that..

    That's why I love You IMO, is a great song. I don't think it was completely mixed, but still a good tune.
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    Cool articles!!

    I would've liked if TWILY was on VHIII.
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    Well, VH3 was the first full length new record I ever heard out of the band since I got into them around the end of 95 and I definitely loved it at the time. That said, it's definitely last on the list of favorite VH records. I do still wish they just continued on with Gary, I think they would have eventually found their stride...and maybe we wouldnt have been VH-less for however long. Weird, weird times.

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    Well, VH3 was the first full length new record I ever heard out of the band since I got into them around the end of 95 and I definitely loved it at the time. That said, it's definitely last on the list of favorite VH records. I do still wish they just continued on with Gary, I think they would have eventually found their stride...and maybe we wouldnt have been VH-less for however long. Weird, weird times.

 

 

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