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    Columbine survivor Evan Todd released an open letter to President Barack Obama on Wednesday in which he offers a point-by-point analysis of proposed firearms control initiatives, dismissing them as ineffective and dangerous to Americans’ rights.

    He recently outlined why he fervently disagrees with the gun control policies that have been proposed in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. TheBlaze interviewed Todd earlier this week and subsequently detailed how his experience being shot back in 1999 has shaped his views on the issue.

    The letter, which speaks directly to the president, covers a number of key facets in the gun control debate. On universal background checks, Todd expresses his fears that “universal registration can easily be used for universal confiscation.” Additionally, he says his belief that assault weapons bans are ineffective and argues that the first law did little to stop violence when it was in effect from 1994 until 2004; he cites Columbine as a prime example.

    “It was during this time that I personally witnessed two fellow students murder twelve of my classmates and one teacher,” he writes. “The assault weapons ban did not deter these two murderers, nor did the other thirty-something laws that they broke.”

    Of particular note in the letter is the survivor’s insistence that Obama’s proposed regulations impede the rights of Americans and endanger them by capping magazine sizes and restricting the types of guns that are available to law-abiding citizens.

    Why would you prefer criminals to have the ability to out-gun law-abiding citizens?,” he asks the president in the text. “Whose side are you on?”


    Read Todd’s open letter to Obama, below.

    Mr. President,

    As a student who was shot and wounded during the Columbine massacre, I have a few thoughts on the current gun debate. In regards to your gun control initiatives:

    Universal Background Checks

    First, a universal background check will have many devastating effects. It will arguably have the opposite impact of what you propose. If adopted, criminals will know that they can not pass a background check legally, so they will resort to other avenues. With the conditions being set by this initiative, it will create a large black market for weapons and will support more criminal activity and funnel additional money into the hands of thugs, criminals, and people who will do harm to American citizens.

    Second, universal background checks will create a huge bureaucracy that will cost an enormous amount of tax payers dollars and will straddle us with more debt. We cannot afford it now, let alone create another function of government that will have a huge monthly bill attached to it.

    Third, is a universal background check system possible without universal gun registration? If so, please define it for us. Universal registration can easily be used for universal confiscation. I am not at all implying that you, sir, would try such a measure, but we do need to think about our actions through the lens of time.

    It is not impossible to think that a tyrant, to the likes of Mao, Castro, Che, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and others, could possibly rise to power in America. It could be five, ten, twenty, or one hundred years from now — but future generations have the natural right to protect themselves from tyrannical government just as much as we currently do. It is safe to assume that this liberty that our forefathers secured has been a thorn in the side of would-be tyrants ever since the Second Amendment was adopted.

    Ban on Military-Style Assault Weapons

    The evidence is very clear pertaining to the inadequacies of the assault weapons ban. It had little to no effect when it was in place from 1994 until 2004. It was during this time that I personally witnessed two fellow students murder twelve of my classmates and one teacher. The assault weapons ban did not deter these two murderers, nor did the other thirty-something laws that they broke.

    Gun ownership is at an all time high. And although tragedies like Columbine and Newtown are exploited by ideologues and special-interest lobbying groups, crime is at an all time low. The people have spoken. Gun store shelves have been emptied. Gun shows are breaking attendance records. Gun manufacturers are sold out and back ordered. Shortages on ammo and firearms are countrywide. The American people have spoken and are telling you that our Second Amendment shall not be infringed.

    10-Round Limit for Magazines

    Virginia Tech was the site of the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history. Seung-Hui Cho used two of the smallest caliber hand guns manufactured and a handful of ten round magazines. There are no substantial facts that prove that limited magazines would make any difference at all.
    Second, this is just another law that endangers law-abiding citizens. I’ve heard you ask, “why does someone need 30 bullets to kill a deer?”

    Let me ask you this: Why would you prefer criminals to have the ability to out-gun law-abiding citizens? Under this policy, criminals will still have their 30-round magazines, but the average American will not. Whose side are you on?

    Lastly, when did they government get into the business of regulating “needs?” This is yet another example of government overreaching and straying from its intended purpose.

    Selling to Criminals

    Mr. President, these are your words: “And finally, Congress needs to help, rather than hinder, law enforcement as it does its job. We should get tougher on people who buy guns with the express purpose of turning around and selling them to criminals. And we should severely punish anybody who helps them do this.”

    Why don’t we start with Eric Holder and thoroughly investigate the Fast and Furious program?

    Furthermore, the vast majority of these mass murderers bought their weapons legally and jumped through all the hoops — because they were determined to murder. Adding more hoops and red tape will not stop these types of people. It doesn’t now — so what makes you think it will in the future? Criminals who cannot buy guns legally just resort to the black market.

    Criminals and murderers will always find a way.

    Critical Examination

    Mr. President, in theory, your initiatives and proposals sound warm and fuzzy — but in reality they are far from what we need. Your initiatives seem to punish law-abiding American citizens and enable the murderers, thugs, and other lowlifes who wish to do harm to others.

    Let me be clear: These ideas are the worst possible initiatives if you seriously care about saving lives and also upholding your oath of office. There is no dictate, law, or regulation that will stop bad things from happening — and you know that. Yet you continue to push the rhetoric. Why?

    You said, “If we can save just one person it is worth it.” Well here are a few ideas that will save more that one individual:

    First, forget all of your current initiatives and 23 purposed executive orders. They will do nothing more than impede law-abiding citizens and breach the intent of the Constitution. Each initiative steals freedom, grants more power to an already-overreaching government, and empowers and enables criminals to run amok.

    Second, press Congress to repeal the “Gun Free Zone Act.” Don’t allow America’s teachers and students to be endangered one-day more. These parents and teachers have the natural right to defend themselves and not be looked at as criminals. There is no reason teachers must disarm themselves to perform their jobs. There is also no reason a parent or volunteer should be disarmed when they cross the school line.

    This is your chance to correct history and restore liberty. This simple act of restoring freedom will deter would-be murderers and for those who try, they will be met with resistance.

    Mr. President, do the right thing, restore freedom, and save lives. Show the American people that you stand with them and not with thugs and criminals.

    Respectfully,

    Severely Concerned Citizen, Evan M. Todd



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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynboy68 View Post
    Columbine survivor Evan Todd released an open letter to President Barack Obama on Wednesday in which he offers a point-by-point analysis of proposed firearms control initiatives, dismissing them as ineffective and dangerous to Americans’ rights.

    He recently outlined why he fervently disagrees with the gun control policies that have been proposed in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. TheBlaze interviewed Todd earlier this week and subsequently detailed how his experience being shot back in 1999 has shaped his views on the issue.

    The letter, which speaks directly to the president, covers a number of key facets in the gun control debate. On universal background checks, Todd expresses his fears that “universal registration can easily be used for universal confiscation.” Additionally, he says his belief that assault weapons bans are ineffective and argues that the first law did little to stop violence when it was in effect from 1994 until 2004; he cites Columbine as a prime example.

    “It was during this time that I personally witnessed two fellow students murder twelve of my classmates and one teacher,” he writes. “The assault weapons ban did not deter these two murderers, nor did the other thirty-something laws that they broke.”

    Of particular note in the letter is the survivor’s insistence that Obama’s proposed regulations impede the rights of Americans and endanger them by capping magazine sizes and restricting the types of guns that are available to law-abiding citizens.

    Why would you prefer criminals to have the ability to out-gun law-abiding citizens?,” he asks the president in the text. “Whose side are you on?”


    Read Todd’s open letter to Obama, below.

    Mr. President,

    As a student who was shot and wounded during the Columbine massacre, I have a few thoughts on the current gun debate. In regards to your gun control initiatives:

    Universal Background Checks

    First, a universal background check will have many devastating effects. It will arguably have the opposite impact of what you propose. If adopted, criminals will know that they can not pass a background check legally, so they will resort to other avenues. With the conditions being set by this initiative, it will create a large black market for weapons and will support more criminal activity and funnel additional money into the hands of thugs, criminals, and people who will do harm to American citizens.

    Second, universal background checks will create a huge bureaucracy that will cost an enormous amount of tax payers dollars and will straddle us with more debt. We cannot afford it now, let alone create another function of government that will have a huge monthly bill attached to it.

    Third, is a universal background check system possible without universal gun registration? If so, please define it for us. Universal registration can easily be used for universal confiscation. I am not at all implying that you, sir, would try such a measure, but we do need to think about our actions through the lens of time.

    It is not impossible to think that a tyrant, to the likes of Mao, Castro, Che, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and others, could possibly rise to power in America. It could be five, ten, twenty, or one hundred years from now — but future generations have the natural right to protect themselves from tyrannical government just as much as we currently do. It is safe to assume that this liberty that our forefathers secured has been a thorn in the side of would-be tyrants ever since the Second Amendment was adopted.

    Ban on Military-Style Assault Weapons

    The evidence is very clear pertaining to the inadequacies of the assault weapons ban. It had little to no effect when it was in place from 1994 until 2004. It was during this time that I personally witnessed two fellow students murder twelve of my classmates and one teacher. The assault weapons ban did not deter these two murderers, nor did the other thirty-something laws that they broke.

    Gun ownership is at an all time high. And although tragedies like Columbine and Newtown are exploited by ideologues and special-interest lobbying groups, crime is at an all time low. The people have spoken. Gun store shelves have been emptied. Gun shows are breaking attendance records. Gun manufacturers are sold out and back ordered. Shortages on ammo and firearms are countrywide. The American people have spoken and are telling you that our Second Amendment shall not be infringed.

    10-Round Limit for Magazines

    Virginia Tech was the site of the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history. Seung-Hui Cho used two of the smallest caliber hand guns manufactured and a handful of ten round magazines. There are no substantial facts that prove that limited magazines would make any difference at all.
    Second, this is just another law that endangers law-abiding citizens. I’ve heard you ask, “why does someone need 30 bullets to kill a deer?”

    Let me ask you this: Why would you prefer criminals to have the ability to out-gun law-abiding citizens? Under this policy, criminals will still have their 30-round magazines, but the average American will not. Whose side are you on?

    Lastly, when did they government get into the business of regulating “needs?” This is yet another example of government overreaching and straying from its intended purpose.

    Selling to Criminals

    Mr. President, these are your words: “And finally, Congress needs to help, rather than hinder, law enforcement as it does its job. We should get tougher on people who buy guns with the express purpose of turning around and selling them to criminals. And we should severely punish anybody who helps them do this.”

    Why don’t we start with Eric Holder and thoroughly investigate the Fast and Furious program?

    Furthermore, the vast majority of these mass murderers bought their weapons legally and jumped through all the hoops — because they were determined to murder. Adding more hoops and red tape will not stop these types of people. It doesn’t now — so what makes you think it will in the future? Criminals who cannot buy guns legally just resort to the black market.

    Criminals and murderers will always find a way.

    Critical Examination

    Mr. President, in theory, your initiatives and proposals sound warm and fuzzy — but in reality they are far from what we need. Your initiatives seem to punish law-abiding American citizens and enable the murderers, thugs, and other lowlifes who wish to do harm to others.

    Let me be clear: These ideas are the worst possible initiatives if you seriously care about saving lives and also upholding your oath of office. There is no dictate, law, or regulation that will stop bad things from happening — and you know that. Yet you continue to push the rhetoric. Why?

    You said, “If we can save just one person it is worth it.” Well here are a few ideas that will save more that one individual:

    First, forget all of your current initiatives and 23 purposed executive orders. They will do nothing more than impede law-abiding citizens and breach the intent of the Constitution. Each initiative steals freedom, grants more power to an already-overreaching government, and empowers and enables criminals to run amok.

    Second, press Congress to repeal the “Gun Free Zone Act.” Don’t allow America’s teachers and students to be endangered one-day more. These parents and teachers have the natural right to defend themselves and not be looked at as criminals. There is no reason teachers must disarm themselves to perform their jobs. There is also no reason a parent or volunteer should be disarmed when they cross the school line.

    This is your chance to correct history and restore liberty. This simple act of restoring freedom will deter would-be murderers and for those who try, they will be met with resistance.

    Mr. President, do the right thing, restore freedom, and save lives. Show the American people that you stand with them and not with thugs and criminals.

    Respectfully,

    Severely Concerned Citizen, Evan M. Todd



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    We can't pretend though that there are not possible issues with everyone carrying a gun in public. All it takes is for people to become too trigger happy and you might end up with innocent people getting shot. Remember, a couple of months back when the cops ended up wounding 9 innocent people while trying to take down one bad guy? You think this couldn't happen with a general public that walks around armed to the teeth?

    And truthfully, even though I'm more on the side of the pro gun argument, if we only made laws that criminals don't break... Well, we would have none at all.

    I guess what I'm saying is that I'm more in the club of keep the guns in the homes and cars/trucks. And to be honest, a lot of people just probably want to carrying the things everywhere as a dick extension basically. It's a way for a lot guys to wave their dicks around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocknblues81 View Post
    We can't pretend though that there are not possible issues with everyone carrying a gun in public. All it takes is for people to become too trigger happy and you might end up with innocent people getting shot. Remember, a couple of months back when the cops ended up wounding 9 innocent people while trying to take down one bad guy? You think this couldn't happen with a general public that walks around armed to the teeth?

    And truthfully, even though I'm more on the side of the pro gun argument, if we only made laws that criminals don't break... Well, we would have none at all.

    I guess what I'm saying is that I'm more in the club of keep the guns in the homes and cars/trucks. And to be honest, a lot of people just probably want to carrying the things everywhere as a dick extension basically. It's a way for a lot guys to wave their dicks around.
    Here in Missouri, the areas where conceal and carry is at the highest participation rate, the lowest crime rate occurs. People aren't shooting like it's the OK Corral, because guns are everywhere already. The point of all this legislation is to stop these violent crimes from happening in the first place. Taking guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens has already been proven to not work in this country. Whether it's the assualt weapons ban, gun bans in Chicago or Washington DC, or background checks that wouldn't flag most mass shooters (including the three most recent ones), the left seems fixated on solutions that limit the rights of law abiding citizens and do nothing to solve the problem.

    It's almost as if it comes down to one of two reasons: Either they are too stupid to think critically about this, or they are purposely trying to further limit our Constitutional rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    Here in Missouri, the areas where conceal and carry is at the highest participation rate, the lowest crime rate occurs. People aren't shooting like it's the OK Corral, because guns are everywhere already. The point of all this legislation is to stop these violent crimes from happening in the first place. Taking guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens has already been proven to not work in this country. Whether it's the assualt weapons ban, gun bans in Chicago or Washington DC, or background checks that wouldn't flag most mass shooters (including the three most recent ones), the left seems fixated on solutions that limit the rights of law abiding citizens and do nothing to solve the problem.

    It's almost as if it comes down to one of two reasons: Either they are too stupid to think critically about this, or they are purposely trying to further limit our Constitutional rights.
    Well, I've said several times that I'm on the pro gun peoples side, but I'm just saying that everyone carrying a gun in public can have it's downfalls also. If you encourage everyone to carry guns everywhere that will include some idiots also. And we should remember that despite the flair up in these mass shooting stories, we did pretty well without everyone carrying guns in pubic for a while.

    Most crime is going to occur in the cities because that's where the poor people are. I rarely see people carrying guns around where I live and it's not there is a boatload of crime out here. But largely I'm just saying that having guns everywhere can have it's downfalls also. But I doubt I will ever carry one in public. I'm not that afraid. I'm more worried about someone breaking in my house in the middle of the night than I am getting shot up by a mass murderer.
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    The reality is that there's no uptick in mass shootings and violent crime is down. The harder it is to get a gun, the larger the black market. Eventually, 3D printers will render all this legislation useless, anyway.

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    I can see some of his points, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere. I think there needs to be a definition of what is and is not a legal gun. And we have to register many things - our vehicles, our real estate, etc. Are there people that drive unregistered cars? I'm sure of it - so let's just scrap the whole process then? This paranoia of the big, bad government having your name on file so they can come and take your gun away - I just don't know how founded it is. But still, I think it's better for local authorities to know who has guns and what type of guns so that when one of those "law abiding gun owners" decides to become a "non-law abiding gun owner", they know what they're facing. Anybody have any stats on crimes committed with guns that were legally obtained and owned by the people that committed the crime with them?

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    oh, and this concept of being able to print a fully functional gun just boggles my mind!

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    oh, and this concept of being able to print a fully functional gun just boggles my mind!
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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007 View Post
    I can see some of his points, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere. I think there needs to be a definition of what is and is not a legal gun. And we have to register many things - our vehicles, our real estate, etc. Are there people that drive unregistered cars? I'm sure of it - so let's just scrap the whole process then? This paranoia of the big, bad government having your name on file so they can come and take your gun away - I just don't know how founded it is. But still, I think it's better for local authorities to know who has guns and what type of guns so that when one of those "law abiding gun owners" decides to become a "non-law abiding gun owner", they know what they're facing. Anybody have any stats on crimes committed with guns that were legally obtained and owned by the people that committed the crime with them?
    As the letter in the OP stated, you can't look at it in the vacuum of today, you have to look at it through the lens of time. And what good would this registration do? Would it actually stop crime, or would it just discourage law-abiding people from owning a gun? If there's a shooting with an AR-15, is the government going to come knocking because you are automatically a suspect?

    What's more likely is that they can retroactively ban a weapon and come knocking on your door to confiscate it. That's exactly what was just proposed here in Missouri by 3 Democratic state senators. It's insanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007 View Post
    oh, and this concept of being able to print a fully functional gun just boggles my mind!
    From what I understand we're not 100% there yet, but the functional part of the gun can and will be able to be printed, then all the other stuff can be ordered w/o issue.

    I think the issue we run into is that all of these databases and regulations are not what was intended when the amendment was written. You have to register a car, but you also don't have a "God-given" right to own and drive one without being "infringed".

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    If you want your head to hurt, follow the President on Twitter. It is a never ending barrage of anti gun ownership rhetoric.

    How about we just try making sure the laws we have in place now are enforced before passing new, more limiting legislation? Just a thought.
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    As the letter in the OP stated, you can't look at it in the vacuum of today, you have to look at it through the lens of time. And what good would this registration do? Would it actually stop crime, or would it just discourage law-abiding people from owning a gun? If there's a shooting with an AR-15, is the government going to come knocking because you are automatically a suspect?

    What's more likely is that they can retroactively ban a weapon and come knocking on your door to confiscate it. That's exactly what was just proposed here in Missouri by 3 Democratic state senators. It's insanity.
    the registration of weapons can help in a number of different ways (whether or not it's worthy of the cost is another debate). But assuming it was free and easy you'd get the following benefits (among others):

    1) a gun buyer would could confirm that the gun they are purchasing it not a stolen weapon.

    2) the gun seller would be forced to ensure that the buyer of the weapons is legally allowed to own such a weapon.

    3) it is a useful tool to police forces

    4) may increase the personal responsbility of legal gunowners.


    Is this worth the cost of the registry? Depends on one's polical leanings I imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    If you want your head to hurt, follow the President on Twitter. It is a never ending barrage of anti gun ownership rhetoric.

    How about we just try making sure the laws we have in place now are enforced before passing new, more limiting legislation? Just a thought.
    Getting on Twitter is enough to make your head hurt.

 

 

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