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    What is the song Blood and Fire about?

    All the others songs have a topic or meaning to it but I can't put my finger on this song. At first I thought it was about NASCAR racing but I am not so sure anymore? Maybe it is about old time drag racing? Would love to hear other Linkers thoughts on what you think the song is about.

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    Dragon Slaying.
    E.F.C - 1897
    1901,11,12,23,24,42,46,49,50,62,65,84,85,93
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    Like a lot of songs from ADKOT (plus the two from the greatest hits disc), Dave is writing about his relationship and history with the Van Halen brothers.

    The Trouble with Never is an answer to Alex's quote, "The Beatles will never get back together and David Lee Roth will never again sing with Van Halen." Dave is Einstein. Alex is Tweedle Dee. You can figure out who Ed is.

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    It's about 4 minutes and 26 seconds....

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    it's about blood and most likely fire...
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    Dave or Sammy ?.........pffffft Eddie.

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    Haha guys. Those last two replies should be thrown in the toilet. Seriously now. What is Dave talking about in this song?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJW View Post
    Haha guys. Those last two replies should be thrown in the toilet. Seriously now. What is Dave talking about in this song?
    My answer was sincere and, I believe, correct. It's Dave talking about coming up with Eddie and Alex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToddE View Post
    My answer was sincere and, I believe, correct. It's Dave talking about coming up with Eddie and Alex.
    Good thoughts ToddE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJW View Post
    Good thoughts ToddE.
    Off the top of my head, I'd say "Blood and Fire," "That's the Trouble with Never," "Beats Workin'" and probably "You and Your Blues" are about (influenced by) Dave and Eddie's relationship.

    Can't Get This Stuff No More and Me Wise Magic were both about Van Halen, if I'm interpreting Dave correctly.

    "Got me a date with a super model," is him getting the gig as VH's singer. "Dinner at the hotel, champagne bottle. Steak and potato - feather and a bucket," is him talking about it being great, but coming with a price.

    In MWM, "A little Zen headed your way; you'll get it halfway down the interstate, four days from now it all goes clear, a Buddhist riff for your inner ear," to me is Dave predicting his ouster from the band again and how his work will be appreciated once he's gone. Or, once Eddie finally figures out what the lyrics are talking about (which might be never).

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    You can always tell the winners
    The saints and the sinners
    Down at the starting line

    Reference to the club days - finding out who was skilled, decent, on their side, and who were the snakes.

    I'm a lucid vision
    Of the unforgiven
    I'm your wave-tossed guy

    Although VH is figuring out the game, Dave is the one no one else can figure out. Lucid vision and wave-tossed guy are incompatible descriptions. In my estimation, this is Dave saying he had some brains, but was OK with everyone thinking he might be a stupid surfer dude.

    King-size repercussions
    Trouble by the dozens
    The stakes have never been higher

    Again, VH has it figured out. They're out for a good time, yes; but they know the true goal and are willing to bet their futures on it.


    Come back when you're younger
    'Cause I can feel the thunder
    1-800-IT'S TIME

    The music takes them back - always. Now they're recording ADKoT.

    OOOOOOHHHHH YEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
    We came... we came... we came through blood and fire
    We came... we came... we came through blood and fire
    Now look at all of the people here tonight...

    They paid their dues, and now look at the crowd

    It's a world of fools
    That's just what's expected
    None of 'em know it
    Or even suspect it

    The music business is a world of fools. The last two lines could be talking about new musicians to the business, or about promoters who assume VH still doesn't know the game. Not sure which. Could be both.

    God must love the lazy
    Shiftless and the crazy
    He put so many in line

    Another reference to all the snakes in the music business. In my mind "he put so many in line," means the number of people making money off VH's music.

    OOOOOOHHHHH YEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
    We came... we came... we came through blood and fire
    We came... we came... we came through blood and fire
    Now look at all of the people here tonight...

    Forgotten empires
    Lost victories long past
    Every time I bloomed again
    I thought it was the last
    And then something crazy happens
    and... BOOM!
    I'm doing the victory dance!

    Touring the world, conquering the business, losing it, breaking up, then coming back to claim the championship again. Crazy!

    Told ya I was comin' back...
    (Told Ya!)
    Say you missed me...
    (Say it!)
    Say it like ya mean it!

    And, not to be cliche, but this is Dave being Dave.

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    "We came through blood and fire?" A venereal disease the three of them contracted from some groupies during the World Invasion Tour.

    I think it's about the band's past from Club Days-to-present...and about hope altogether. Like "Jump."
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    VAN HALEN WITH DAVE: 9x
    VAN HALEN WITH SAMMY: 8x
    VAN HALEN WITH GARY: 5x
    CHICKENFOOT/THE CIRCLE: 6x
    DAVE SOLO: 13x
    SAMMY SOLO: 15x (including MIKE/MONTROSE)
    GARY/EXTREME/TRIBE OF JUDAH/HURTSMILE: 7x
    CABO WABO CANTINA: 1x
    MET: Sammy 1x, Dave almost 1x, Gary 2x

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToddE View Post
    You can always tell the winners
    The saints and the sinners
    Down at the starting line

    Reference to the club days - finding out who was skilled, decent, on their side, and who were the snakes.

    I'm a lucid vision
    Of the unforgiven
    I'm your wave-tossed guy

    Although VH is figuring out the game, Dave is the one no one else can figure out. Lucid vision and wave-tossed guy are incompatible descriptions. In my estimation, this is Dave saying he had some brains, but was OK with everyone thinking he might be a stupid surfer dude.

    King-size repercussions
    Trouble by the dozens
    The stakes have never been higher

    Again, VH has it figured out. They're out for a good time, yes; but they know the true goal and are willing to bet their futures on it.


    Come back when you're younger
    'Cause I can feel the thunder
    1-800-IT'S TIME

    The music takes them back - always. Now they're recording ADKoT.

    OOOOOOHHHHH YEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
    We came... we came... we came through blood and fire
    We came... we came... we came through blood and fire
    Now look at all of the people here tonight...

    They paid their dues, and now look at the crowd

    It's a world of fools
    That's just what's expected
    None of 'em know it
    Or even suspect it

    The music business is a world of fools. The last two lines could be talking about new musicians to the business, or about promoters who assume VH still doesn't know the game. Not sure which. Could be both.

    God must love the lazy
    Shiftless and the crazy
    He put so many in line

    Another reference to all the snakes in the music business. In my mind "he put so many in line," means the number of people making money off VH's music.

    OOOOOOHHHHH YEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
    We came... we came... we came through blood and fire
    We came... we came... we came through blood and fire
    Now look at all of the people here tonight...

    Forgotten empires
    Lost victories long past
    Every time I bloomed again
    I thought it was the last
    And then something crazy happens
    and... BOOM!
    I'm doing the victory dance!

    Touring the world, conquering the business, losing it, breaking up, then coming back to claim the championship again. Crazy!

    Told ya I was comin' back...
    (Told Ya!)
    Say you missed me...
    (Say it!)
    Say it like ya mean it!

    And, not to be cliche, but this is Dave being Dave.
    That was fantastic. Thank you sir.
    Dave
    VH FOREVER!!!!!!!

    Stats:
    BECAME FAN/PSYCHO: 12/91
    VAN HALEN WITH DAVE: 9x
    VAN HALEN WITH SAMMY: 8x
    VAN HALEN WITH GARY: 5x
    CHICKENFOOT/THE CIRCLE: 6x
    DAVE SOLO: 13x
    SAMMY SOLO: 15x (including MIKE/MONTROSE)
    GARY/EXTREME/TRIBE OF JUDAH/HURTSMILE: 7x
    CABO WABO CANTINA: 1x
    MET: Sammy 1x, Dave almost 1x, Gary 2x

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    So what the fuck's "Big River" about while we're on the subject?
    Dave
    VH FOREVER!!!!!!!

    Stats:
    BECAME FAN/PSYCHO: 12/91
    VAN HALEN WITH DAVE: 9x
    VAN HALEN WITH SAMMY: 8x
    VAN HALEN WITH GARY: 5x
    CHICKENFOOT/THE CIRCLE: 6x
    DAVE SOLO: 13x
    SAMMY SOLO: 15x (including MIKE/MONTROSE)
    GARY/EXTREME/TRIBE OF JUDAH/HURTSMILE: 7x
    CABO WABO CANTINA: 1x
    MET: Sammy 1x, Dave almost 1x, Gary 2x

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    To be fair, I thought this thread was a joke. Since it's not, I'll throw in that it's about Dave getting back together with the VH bros and looking back at where they've come from; a retrospective on their careers. The breakdown where he says that every time he thinks he's down is more of an allusion to his own career. Just when he thinks he's done, he's back with VH and on top of the world.

    As for Big River, I think it's about the unstoppable progress of life and it's similarities to large, fresh water ways.
    CNN may think my opinion matters, but you shouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToddE View Post
    You can always tell the winners
    The saints and the sinners
    Down at the starting line

    Reference to the club days - finding out who was skilled, decent, on their side, and who were the snakes.

    I'm a lucid vision
    Of the unforgiven
    I'm your wave-tossed guy

    Although VH is figuring out the game, Dave is the one no one else can figure out. Lucid vision and wave-tossed guy are incompatible descriptions. In my estimation, this is Dave saying he had some brains, but was OK with everyone thinking he might be a stupid surfer dude.

    King-size repercussions
    Trouble by the dozens
    The stakes have never been higher

    Again, VH has it figured out. They're out for a good time, yes; but they know the true goal and are willing to bet their futures on it.


    Come back when you're younger
    'Cause I can feel the thunder
    1-800-IT'S TIME

    The music takes them back - always. Now they're recording ADKoT.

    OOOOOOHHHHH YEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
    We came... we came... we came through blood and fire
    We came... we came... we came through blood and fire
    Now look at all of the people here tonight...

    They paid their dues, and now look at the crowd

    It's a world of fools
    That's just what's expected
    None of 'em know it
    Or even suspect it

    The music business is a world of fools. The last two lines could be talking about new musicians to the business, or about promoters who assume VH still doesn't know the game. Not sure which. Could be both.

    God must love the lazy
    Shiftless and the crazy
    He put so many in line

    Another reference to all the snakes in the music business. In my mind "he put so many in line," means the number of people making money off VH's music.

    OOOOOOHHHHH YEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
    We came... we came... we came through blood and fire
    We came... we came... we came through blood and fire
    Now look at all of the people here tonight...

    Forgotten empires
    Lost victories long past
    Every time I bloomed again
    I thought it was the last
    And then something crazy happens
    and... BOOM!
    I'm doing the victory dance!

    Touring the world, conquering the business, losing it, breaking up, then coming back to claim the championship again. Crazy!

    Told ya I was comin' back...
    (Told Ya!)
    Say you missed me...
    (Say it!)
    Say it like ya mean it!

    And, not to be cliche, but this is Dave being Dave.




    Boy, did this post come through blood and fire.

    Nice job, ToddE. ('',)b


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