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    Does anyone know which guitar(s) Ed used on those demos that were recorded with Gene Simmons in '76? I've looked for pics from that year and have seen a sunburst strat and also, what looks to be like, the Ibanez Destroyer. But I wasn't sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotic View Post
    Does anyone know which guitar(s) Ed used on those demos that were recorded with Gene Simmons in '76? I've looked for pics from that year and have seen a sunburst strat and also, what looks to be like, the Ibanez Destroyer. But I wasn't sure.
    He didn't use his own equipment on the Gene Simmons demo. None of the band did. They recorded it in NY on equipment Simmons provided.
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    Interesting. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    He didn't use his own equipment on the Gene Simmons demo. None of the band did. They recorded it in NY on equipment Simmons provided.
    Add to the fact that Gene's production was so sterile.
    He Zapped all the "punch" out of vh to my ears.
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    I think Eddie at least had whatever guitars of his own and almost certainly his own amps. I would bet it was the sunburst or black strat and the Destroyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garbeaj View Post
    I think Eddie at least had whatever guitars of his own and almost certainly his own amps. I would bet it was the sunburst or black strat and the Destroyer.
    Brett posted that none of them used their own equipment.

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    It was my understanding that most of the 1976 demo's were recorded in Los Angeles after a gig at the Starwood. I read that only a couple of guitar solo's and the mixing were done at Electric Ladyland in New York.

    Then while VH were in New York at that time, they performed a showcase for Bill Aucoin using Kiss's equipment, at S.I.R. reherseal studios, then had a meeting with him. It may be possible that these 2 separate happenings may of been thought of as 1 single session. In regards to VH using Simmons gear.

    I would be surprised if Edward used Ace or Paul's guitars in the studio. Of course I am not 100% sure about this, and not stating this as fact. It is just what I read. I am not a know it all, nor am I questioning or challenging anyone's comments, I'm just very interested to learn more.
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    that sounds right

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    I know I read that the demos were not recorded on the band's equipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    It was my understanding that most of the 1976 demo's were recorded in Los Angeles after a gig at the Starwood. I read that only a couple of guitar solo's and the mixing were done at Electric Ladyland in New York.

    Then while VH were in New York at that time, they performed a showcase for Bill Aucoin using Kiss's equipment, at S.I.R. reherseal studios, then had a meeting with him.
    It may be possible that these 2 separate happenings may of been thought of as 1 single session. In regards to VH using Simmons gear.

    I would be surprised if Edward used Ace or Paul's guitars in the studio. Of course I am not 100% sure about this, and not stating this as fact. It is just what I read. I am not a know it all, nor am I questioning or challenging anyone's comments, I'm just very interested to learn more.
    Thats what I had heard too.....then after the meeting the label decided to pass and sign Piper instead.....Piper, who featured the vastly under rated and unreconized great that is Billy Squire on lead vocals.

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    It's fairly safe to say that Ed did use the sunburst Strat on the '76 demos. Unless he was doing neck bends on a Les Paul, he was using a Strat tremolo for a lot of the songs.

    Would Ed choose a single coil Strat out of all those Gibson's?!


    This is most likely the guitar we're hearing,


    Ed also had a Phase 90 on hand, which I'm guessing was his as well. His amps were most likely borrowed. I think the lack of punch is the borrowed amps and the Alder bodied Strat with a very high output Mighty Mite pup, plus lack of production.

    Nonetheless; those demos rock! I've been listening to them quite a bit lately while working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    He didn't use his own equipment on the Gene Simmons demo. None of the band did. They recorded it in NY on equipment Simmons provided.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    I know I read that the demos were not recorded on the band's equipment.
    Me too. And I've always thought the production of those demos sounds identical to Love Gun (especially the drum sound like Alex was playing on Criss' kit) down to some of growls Roth does in some songs that sound like Gene was getting him to do his own "demon" schtick.

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    Would think that the demos were recorded in NY and with ??? gear.
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    Yes, I found some more comments on rigtalk.com, and other sites that also concur that he used Ace's rig.

    Many others also speculate it was recorded around Kiss's Love Gun sessions, but that was in 1977. So the actual facts and dates may be a grey area, as there seem to be conflicting information. Since the VH encyclopedia may not be 100% accurate, ( IDK ? ), but they say it was recorded at Village Recorders Studio in May 1976.

    Cool old picture there, haven't seen that one before now.
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    I really think Ed used his own equipment. If he used borrowed guitars, he would have to set them up at the very least and they would have to have near perfect intonation and the tremolo arm would have to be set up exactly as Ed had his and the exact gauge of strings would have to be the same as the Fender 150XL's that Ed was using at the time and the guitars would have to be intonated accordingly with these particular gauges.

    Same goes for the non-tremolo tracks, which I believe are the Destroyer or a Les Paul styled guitar with a Tune-O-Matic bridge.

    But I haven't seen any evidence about these sessions, so this is all speculation. Circumstantially, I'm going with the Destroyer and the sunburst or black strats that Ed was using at around that time as the Musikfoto.com picture posted above and the Jenny Lens black strat pics.

 

 

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