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    The national defense authorization act is a contingency plan if anarachy breaks out.After the crash of 07 and how close we came to financial collapse they realized it will happen one day.They needed control. Only 3 or 4 Congress people voted against it of course the Pauls voted no I bet Kucinich voted no too. We should be ashamed. The one guy says you can spy on me because I'm doing nothing wrong? That sounds like Germany in the 30s. People are idiots.
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    The average American has no clue that within the last twelve years, laws have been put into place that could make America a totalitarian state at the blink of an eye.

    Every single part of our lives is now subject to government oversight, with NO cause needed, reasonable or not.

    The US Government, without cause, can now read your emails, view your web browsing history, see your blog and web forum postings, know what books you read, what church you go to, and my favorite, hold you in prison indefinitely with no judicial process.

    And we give all those rights up in a short twelve year span, because 3,000 people were killed in a terrorist attack.

    I am not trying to diminish the severity of the attack, or the heartfelt loss of those whose loved ones have passed away. However, to actually bring to an end the freedoms that make us better than these terrorists is the unspoken crime committed.

    As the result of their actions, we become more like them with each passing year, and that is the real tragedy.
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    yes i do. don't know if anybody heard about this but, i guess its now a felony to protest the president when and where ever the secret service is present. not sure why cnn hasn't spoke on this. another executive order. This President and his executive orders really starting to look like a dictatorship to me. just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    The average American has no clue that within the last twelve years, laws have been put into place that could make America a totalitarian state at the blink of an eye.

    Every single part of our lives is now subject to government oversight, with NO cause needed, reasonable or not.

    The US Government, without cause, can now read your emails, view your web browsing history, see your blog and web forum postings, know what books you read, what church you go to, and my favorite, hold you in prison indefinitely with no judicial process.

    And we give all those rights up in a short twelve year span, because 3,000 people were killed in a terrorist attack.

    I am not trying to diminish the severity of the attack, or the heartfelt loss of those whose loved ones have passed away. However, to actually bring to an end the freedoms that make us better than these terrorists is the unspoken crime committed.

    As the result of their actions, we become more like them with each passing year, and that is the real tragedy.
    Don't forget that the government can coerce you to do anything it wants through either the commerce clause or the power of taxation, or that the President can unilaterally assassinate US citizens without explanation or having to provide any evidence.

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    If the United States ever becomes a total police state, it will be able to be traced back to the NDAA, because it gave the US government carte blanche power.
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    A federal appeals court has overturned President Obama’s controversial recess appointments from last year, arguing he abused his powers and acted when the Senate was not actually in a recess.

    The three-judge panel’s ruling is a major blow to Mr. Obama. The judges ruled that the appointments Mr. Obama made to the National Labor Relations Board are illegal, and the board no longer has a quorum to operate.

    But the ruling has even broader constitutional significance, with the judges arguing that the president’s recess appointment powers don’t apply to “intrasession” appointments — those made when Congress has left town for a few days or weeks.

    The judges signaled the power only applies after Congress has adjourned sine die, which is a legislative term of art that signals the end to a long work period. In modern times, it means the president could only use his powers when Congress quits business at the end of a year.

    “The dearth of intrasession appointments in the years and decades following the ratification of the Constitution speaks far more impressively than the history of recent presidential exercise of a supposed power to make such appointments,” the judges wrote. “Recent presidents are doing no more than interpreting the Constitution. While we recognize that all branches of government must of necessity exercise their understanding of the Constitution in order to perform their duties faithfully thereto, ultimately it is our role to discern the authoritative meaning of the supreme law.”



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    If the United States ever becomes a total police state, it will be able to be traced back to the NDAA, because it gave the US government carte blanche power.
    Inside the Ring: Directive outlines Obama’s policy to use the military against citizens

    By Bill Gertz-The Washington Times Wednesday, May 28, 2014



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    A 2010 Pentagon directive on military support to civilian authorities details what critics say is a troubling policy that envisions the Obama administration’s potential use of military force against Americans. The directive contains noncontroversial provisions on support to civilian fire and emergency services, special events and the domestic use of the Army Corps of Engineers.

    The troubling aspect of the directive outlines presidential authority for the use of military arms and forces, including unarmed drones, in operations against domestic unrest.“This appears to be the latest step in the administration’s decision to use force within the United States against its citizens,” said a defense official opposed to the directive.

    Directive No. 3025.18, “Defense Support of Civil Authorities,” was issued Dec. 29, 2010, and states that U.S. commanders “are provided emergency authority under this directive.”

    “Federal military forces shall not be used to quell civil disturbances unless specifically authorized by the president in accordance with applicable law or permitted under emergency authority,” the directive states.

    “In these circumstances, those federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the president is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances” under two conditions.

    The conditions include military support needed “to prevent significant loss of life or wanton destruction of property and are necessary to restore governmental function and public order.” A second use is when federal, state and local authorities “are unable or decline to provide adequate protection for federal property or federal governmental functions.”

    “Federal action, including the use of federal military forces, is authorized when necessary to protect the federal property or functions,” the directive states.
    Military assistance can include loans of arms, ammunition, vessels and aircraft.

    The directive states clearly that it is for engaging civilians during times of unrest.

    A U.S. official said the Obama administration considered but rejected deploying military force under the directive during the recent standoff with Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and his armed supporters.

    Mr. Bundy is engaged in a legal battle with the federal Bureau of Land Management over unpaid grazing fees. Along with a group of protesters, Mr. Bundy in April confronted federal and local authorities in a standoff that ended when the authorities backed down.

    The Pentagon directive authorizes the secretary of defense to approve the use of unarmed drones in domestic unrest. But it bans the use of missile-firing unmanned aircraft. “Use of armed [unmanned aircraft systems] is not authorized,” the directive says.

    The directive was signed by then-Deputy Defense Secretary William J. Lynn. A copy can be found on the Pentagon website: http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/c...df/302518p.pdf.

    Defense analysts say there has been a buildup of military units within non-security-related federal agencies, notably the creation of Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) teams. The buildup has raised questions about whether the Obama administration is undermining civil liberties under the guise of counterterrorism and counternarcotics efforts.

    Other agencies with SWAT teams reportedly include the Department of Agriculture, the Railroad Retirement Board, the Tennessee Valley Authority, the Office of Personnel Management, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the Education Department.

    The militarization of federal agencies, under little-known statues that permit deputization of security officials, comes as the White House has launched verbal attacks on private citizens’ ownership of firearms despite the fact that most gun owners are law-abiding citizens.

    A White House National Security Council spokeswoman declined to comment.
    President Obama stated at the National Defense University a year ago: “I do not believe it would be constitutional for the government to target and kill any U.S. citizen — with a drone or with a shotgun — without due process, nor should any president deploy armed drones over U.S. soil.”


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    For nearly four decades, an Iowa woman named Carole Hinders has made regular cash deposits at her local bank. She runs a small Mexican restaurant which doesn’t accept checks or credit cards, so this banking process made sense. Hinders saved up $33,000 to provide some financial security and help keep her business running—but now, her entire savings is gone, confiscated by the IRS.

    What crime is she accused of? Well, none.

    Hinders is up to date on her taxes, and no one suspects her of money laundering. The sole problem is the size of her cash deposits at the bank: The IRS says they’re too small, and that’s suspicious.

    See, there’s a rule that any cash transaction involving more than $10,000 has to be reported to the IRS. Hinders’ deposits didn’t hit that limit, and, nonsensically, the government says that’s a problem.

    The rule is theoretically designed to catch drug dealers, terrorists, and other criminals who might deal in large sums of cash. In practice, however, it’s more typically used on normal, non-criminal citizens who have very legitimate reasons for making frequent cash deposits. And increasingly the IRS is not coming down on people who hit the $10,000 limit—but on people who don’t.

    People like one Long Island family who sold candy and cigarettes—small items usually purchased with cash. The government confiscated $447,000 from them, the savings of a lifetime which the family has so far been unable to get back.

    They’re now hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.

    The IRS has targeted people like Army Sgt. Jeff Cortazzo, who saved for his daughter’s college education in cash, because he (very reasonably) didn’t have confidence in banks during the financial crisis. A bank teller told him to deposit the $66,000 he’d saved in smaller amounts to avoid hitting the $10,000 limit—advice which ended up costing him nearly a third of that amount thanks to government seizure.

    His daughter had to delay college for a year.

    Carole Hinders had to take out a second mortgage to keep her restaurant running. She’s unlikely to ever get all of her money back. She’ll probably never have the same financial security again.

    She’s guilty until proven innocent.

    Our government’s new principle of guilty until proven innocent goes beyond just the tactics of the IRS. 16-year-old Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was an American citizen who was killed by U.S. drone strike without charge or trial three years ago in Yemen. Abdulrahman was described as “a typical teenager—he watched ‘The Simpsons,’ listened to Snoop Dogg, read Harry Potter and had a Facebook page with many friends. He had a mop of curly hair, glasses [and] a wide, goofy smile.”

    And then he was killed by a U.S. drone strike.

    Abdulrahman wasn’t suspected of any crime, but apparently he was still considered guilty until proven innocent—or at least, guilty enough to be executed by hellfire raining from the sky.

    Since this boy was assassinated, the convoluted statements we’ve received from the Obama Administration have reached a level of obfuscation worthy of the IRS.

    Former White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs suggested that Abdulrahman could have avoided being bombed to death if he’d gotten himself a better father (yes, really—as if children can choose their parents), but given that the kid was killed two weeks after his dad died in a separate strike, that doesn’t make much sense. Obama himself claimed to be “surprised and upset” on learning that the boy was killed, a curious statement since it has been reported that the president is intimately involved in U.S. drone policy including choosing targets.

    It’s not just confusing government rules and rhetoric that make these two incidents similar. At first glance, a woman in Iowa losing $33,000 and a boy in Yemen losing his life may not seem to have much in common, but there’s a thread which ties these two stories together:

    Both people were treated as if their most basic rights didn’t exist.

    Both were victimized by a government that does what it wants, due process be damned.

    Both were considered guilty until proven innocent.

    Ultimately, stories like what happened to Carole Hinders and Abdulrahman al-Awlaki lead me inevitably—though unwillingly—to one conclusion: If the government can take your money and your life without proving you committed any crime, ‘innocent until proven guilty’ is officially dead in America.

    And that’s a very scary thing.

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    So when are we all going to stop complaining and rise up?!


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    Here's a new interview with Edward Snowden that is very relevant to the subject of tyranny...

    http://m.thenation.com/article/18612...sive-interview
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    So when are we all going to stop complaining and rise up?!





    I'm busy this week, but maybe I can squeeze in a rally next week. Let me know.

    Great point. One thing the last 8 years has proved is Americans won't rebel against so many things we just put up with them and bitch on forums or at the bar . Most people don't even vote . Trust me our leaders know this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardv View Post
    Great point. One thing the last 8 years has proved is Americans won't rebel against so many things we just put up with them and bitch on forums or at the bar . Most people don't even vote . Trust me our leaders know this.


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