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    Default Protests as Michigan passes 'anti-union' law

    What every happened to tolerance from the LEFT? I thought Democrats were for choice.

    Democrat State Representative Douglas Geiss said, “There will be Blood” if the ’Right to Work’ law was passed during the debate on the Michigan House floor. Really? A Democrat state elected official is predicting and in many respects calling for violence if Michigan workers are not provided freedom of choice? Geiss went on to say that he wishes we had not gone here. Hmm, You mean providing “ALL” workers the right to choose whether they want or do not want to belong to a union? That seems a lot more American than threatening violence if you do not get your way.


    “There will be blood,” State Representative Douglas Geiss threatened from the floor of the Michigan House of Representatives today as the body debated legislation that would make Michigan the nation’s 24th right to work state.

    “I really wish we had not gone here,” Geiss continued. “It is the leadership in this house that has led us here. The same leadership that tried to throw a bomb right on election day, leading to a member switching parties, and came in at the 11th hour with a gotcha bill. For that, I do not see solace, I do not see peace.”

    Sadly, thanks to Geiss’s grandstanding and prediction of no peace … there was none yesterday as out of control union thugs threatened and physically harmed those who dare have an alternative opinion.

    House Democrats also tweeted, “There will be Blood”. It was then taken down but not before it was captured for all time.











    Now that the Americans For Prosperity [AFP] tent has been violently ripped down and destroyed by union protesters in Michigan with elderly volunteers inside, it's time to point out President Obama's connection to all of this madness.

    Yesterday, President Obama berated right-to-work laws all over the country and expressed his support of union workers in Michigan ahead of the State House passing the legislation today.

    "These so-called right to work laws, they don't have to do with economics, they have everything to do with politics. What they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money."

    President Obama also has a long history of expressing his disdain for AFP.

    The Obama campaign has started a petition aimed at forcing Americans for Prosperity, the conservative group backed by billionaires Charles and David Koch, to release its donor lists to the public, proving the group's claim of running a grassroots-supported organization.

    This latest move by the campaign is part of an ongoing battle between the Obama team and the Koch brothers.

    In late February an email to Obama supporters described Americans for Prosperity as a "front group" and accused the Koch brothers of making millions by “jacking up prices at the pump." The email also claimed the Koch brothers have committed $200 million to destroying Obama before the November election.

    Will President Obama, who was in Michigan just yesterday, condemn the violent actions of the union members he supports? Or will he sit by and cheer behind closed doors about the destruction of AFP property and the potential injury of AFP volunteers? It's time to speak up, Mr. President.

    Today at the daily briefing, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney dodged questions about union violence and Michigan Democrats threating "blood" over new right-to-work legislation.



    "The President beleives in debate that's you know, civil. I haven't seen those comments and I'm not sure they meant what some interpret them to mean," Carney said.

    As reported at Weasel Zippers via the Washington Examiner, The Obama White House refused to condemn the “there will be blood” comments. Of course not, how could Obama, so beholden to the unions possibly condemn any Democrat standing for union labor no matter if there was threats or not. Instead, they make excuses.
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    President Obama’s spokesman cited the ambiguity of the statement, “there will be blood,” as he avoided condemning the remark made by a Michigan Democrat who opposes the imminent state’s right-to-work legislation.

    “The president believes in debate that’s civil,” White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said today. “I haven’t seen those comments and I’m not sure that they mean what some would interpret them to mean. I just haven’t seen them.”
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    I support the fuck out of this bill.

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    It's increasingly obvious that the left is only for the "choices" they like.

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    if government does it's job regulating industries (including the establishment of a reasonable min wage) and ensuring that employees have recourse against employers who break laws then the role of unions (especially unions who negotiate salaries and benefits) becomes minimal. You can't allow "right to work" laws to become "punish the fuck out of working people" laws. But unions overstepping their real roles is the reason these types of laws become popular. So tough to give them too much pity.

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    The law doesn't get rid of Unions, it just gives employees the right to be able to choose whether they want to join the Union or not.

    I have a choice of whether to join the AICPA, it is not like I can't work as a CPA if I am not a member. I choose to be. Not being able to work as a pipe fitter or electrician because you are not part of the local union is ludicrous to me.
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    Well, I am a Union Electrician (Master) in a right to work state. I think people should have a choice.
    It is true "there will be blood in the streets".
    There will be tires cut. Electrical fires will be everywhere when contractors start using non-union labor etc. Non-union workers will probably be killed!!!
    I personally never work outside of my home (local) jurisdiction. This is becuase of the fucking idiots out there who hate my city with a passion. It is crazy. I have been running large projects for many years and you can only trust a few people around you and even those you gotta watch out for.
    Fuck Detroit and I mean fuck them---all those no working monkeys and illegal aliens have destroyed this whole damn country and the goddammned unions use my money to support all these worthless cocksuckers and get these other bitches elected !!!

    Anyone who is reading this and knows whom I am and have a problem with it can go fuck themselves !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by evhintexas View Post
    Well, I am a Union Electrician (Master) in a right to work state. I think people should have a choice.
    It is true "there will be blood in the streets".
    There will be tires cut. Electrical fires will be everywhere when contractors start using non-union labor etc. Non-union workers will probably be killed!!!
    I personally never work outside of my home (local) jurisdiction. This is becuase of the fucking idiots out there who hate my city with a passion. It is crazy. I have been running large projects for many years and you can only trust a few people around you and even those you gotta watch out for.
    Fuck Detroit and I mean fuck them---all those no working monkeys and illegal aliens have destroyed this whole damn country and the goddammned unions use my money to support all these worthless cocksuckers and get these other bitches elected !!!

    Anyone who is reading this and knows whom I am and have a problem with it can go fuck themselves !!!
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    Here's what it comes down to. I'm a substitute teacher looking to enter full-time, credentialed teaching in CA.

    If I don't want to be in the teacher's union, that's fine. But I still have to pay union dues (relabeled a "representation fee" calculated at "the same percentage" of member dues); I just don't get all of the benefits of being in the union. That's because A) I don't live in a "right to work" state, and subsequently B) the collective bargaining agreement requires non-members to pay the "representation fee".

    This type of thing prevents this. Who in their right mind would pay union dues to NOT get the benefit?
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    My family used to own a union plumbing shop. I say used to because they were essentially priced out of the market by non-union shops. The plumbers union, which should be there for companies in situations like this, would not make any concessions to help keep our family business afloat (along with many others), so my mom was forced to sell to a non-union shop. Now both my brothers are non-union plumbers. All those dues they paid went right down the drain.

    The problem I saw with unions is this: it's impossible to fire shitty workers. Unions advertise themselves as being the standard-bearer of quality work because they supposedly train their workers to the highest standards. Yet when half of the plumbers don't know what the fuck they doing on the job, my grandfather, then father, then mother, were unable to fire these guys without jumping through all kinds of hoops. In the meantime, it pisses of customers, costs the company money to repair their bad work, and costs the company to pay for the health and welfare dues to the union pension.

    In the meantime, the union heads are padding their pockets with outrageous salaries, and many of the "dues" are then funneled to political campaigns--but only Democratic ones. If you are a Republican, Libertarian, Socialist, Consitutionalist, etc., you are shit out of luck. You're money is going to help one party, and what makes matters worse is that your meetings are regularly attended by union bosses who tell you who to vote for--Democrats of course.

    It's a racket. Unions were once a source of pride and quality, but over the last 40 years have become glorified mobs turned political action committees. And to force anyone to join a union is against what we believe in as a country. These laws give people that choice. Unions also have a choice: they can either evolve with the times and show their worth to all of their members, or they can continue the thuggery of the last 30 years (blowing up cars, torching worksites, smashing windows, etc.) and force themselves further into the periphery until their ultimate demise.
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    "Tony," a Michigan union worker whose temper is quicker than his hands, has a serious online image problem.

    The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 876 member was captured on video Tuesday punching Fox News contributor Steven Crowder during a pro-union protest on Tuesday in Michigan’s capital on the day the state Legislature approved "right to work" legislation that unions oppose. But posters who flooded the local's Facebook page with comments weren't exactly hailing the hardhat for striking a blow for solidarity. Instead, they heaped scorn on the man for portraying his cause badly — and while wearing a jacket with his first name embroidered on the breast.

    “No class at all,” one post read. “Their families should be embarrassed by the behavior of these animals.”

    Another post characterized “violence and intimidation” as the hallmark of unions, while others addressed Tony directly.

    “Your actions are disgusting and cowardly! You attacked an innocent man who was only there asking questions,” the posting read. “So happy Michigan can now be free from you bullies!”

    Crowder, 25, suffered a chipped front tooth and a minor facial cut in the recorded assault, but has yet to file a police report in connection to the incident.

    “He was saying he was going to kick my a-- and that him and his buddies wanted to meet me at the bar later,” Crowder told FoxNews.com. “He was repeatedly threatening me.”

    But the conservative comedian has issued a public challenge to his assailant, and is threatening to press charges if Tony turns him down.

    “He can come forward and confess and we’ll press charges, or we can host a legal, sanctioned mixed martial arts bout with the proceeds going to the union of his choice,” Crowder said. “That’s his way of avoiding going to jail right now.”


    Shanon Banner, a spokeswoman for Michigan State Police, confirmed to FoxNews.com that no police report has been filed in connection to the assault.

    “We can’t take action without [Crowder] coming forward,” Banner said. “If he did that, we would be sure to conduct a thorough investigation.”

    Gov. Rick Snyder signed the legislation late Tuesday after the state House gave final approval of the bills, which bar unions from collecting mandatory fees from workers they represent under collective bargaining agreements. State police reported three arrests at the Capitol, but said crowds were largely peaceful.

    “Throughout the day union marshals and captains worked very well with troopers and the House and Senate Sergeant at Arms to help maintain safety and order of people both inside the Capitol and outside,” according to a Michigan State Police news release. “ … Troopers responded to a few minor calls for medical assistance and altercations between protesters. No major injuries or medical emergencies were reported to the MSP.”

    Tony, whose full identity is being reported online but could not be confirmed, could not be reached for comment. But Scott Clark, business manager of IBEW Local 665, told FoxNews.com he witnessed Crowder being “antagonistic” to the crowd earlier in the day, prior to him being punched.

    "He was antagonizing the crowd for the 15 minutes I was standing over there,” Clark said. "I was unaware of the incident until I watched the video, but I can tell you I talked to a number of my members, and non-union supporters, because this isn't just a union issue, it's a worker issue. This was meant to be a peaceful protest."

    John Cour, the membership development representative for IBEW Local 876, declined comment.

    “Look at the unedited version [of the videotape] and you’ll see what happened,” Cour told FoxNews.com.

    Crowder, for his part, did not dispute that he was antagonizing the union workers and their supporters.

    “I’m not saying that’s unfounded,” he said. “But I never assaulted anyone … I expected them to be hostile and violent, just as the [Wall Street] occupiers were. They don’t believe in dialogue or discourse. But I did not expect a mob to destroy a tent with a complete lack of empathy.”

    Crowder, who heads to Texas on Thursday, said he will try to work the incident into his comedic routine.

    “I don’t know, I’m sure there’s something funny about it,” he said. “I’ll see if I can get some material in there.”

    Vincent Vernuccio, director of labor policy at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, said he wasn’t surprised at the charged atmosphere in Lansing.

    “On the side of proponents of right to work, they simply believe workers should have the freedom to choose,” Vernuccio told FoxNews.com. “And when you talk about freedom in this country, emotions do get very high.”

    State Democratic Rep. Douglas Geiss, who warned of “blood” and “repercussions” ahead of the vote, did not immediately return a call requesting comment.
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    Unions = legalized mafia.

    Good for Michigan in making sure people still have a choice in the matter.
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