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    Default Two Sponsors Pull Out From Debates Over Exclusion Of Gary Johnson

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    This post was updated at 11:38 a.m. to include comment from the Gary Johnson campaign.

    At least two of the original sponsors of the 2012 presidential debates have pulled their support over the exclusion of Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson, arguing that the commission which runs the debates is locked into a two-party outlook.

    The first presidential debate will take place in Denver on Wednesday between President Barack Obama and Republican contender Mitt Romney.

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    Multinational corporation Philips Electronics and the women's organization the YWCA both dropped their sponsorship after being flooded with E-mails and letters from supporters of former Republican New Mexico Gov. Johnson, as well as two election watchdog groups, Open Debates and Help the Commission.

    "I've been trying this since 2004 ... and this is first time any sponsor has peeled off from supporting the commission," says George Farah of Open Debates, who wrote the book No Debate: How the Republican and Democratic Parties Secretly Control the Presidential Debates. "For this to happen on the eve of the first presidential debate is a remarkable act."

    The Commission on Presidential Debates, which runs the debate logistics, didn't immediately respond to request for comment from Whispers. But the commission, which is a non-profit, 501(c)(3) corporation and relies heavily on sponsors, is likely to feel the impact of its missing sponsors.

    Back in July, the commission's executive director Janet Brown told Whispers that Johnson could possibly appear in the debates. Over the last month, however, it became clear that Johnson did not have the polled support of at least 15 percent of the national electorate, one of the commission's three debate participation requirements. Last week, Johnson filed a lawsuit over his exclusion from the debates, but that effort is not expected to be successful.

    In a letter announcing its sponsorship withdrawal, Philips wrote that it was concerned the commission's work "may appear to support bi-partisan" instead of "non-partisan" politics. YWCA similarly wrote that it was dropping out because it is a "non-partisan" women's organization.

    Joe Hunter, spokesman for the Gary Johnson campaign, says of the pulled sponsors: “It appears that they have recognized what we have recognized – that the debate commission is a product of the Democratic and Republican National committees, and that they have structured the rules and their agreements among themselves to exclude third party candidates like Gov. Johnson.”

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    Open Debate and Johnson supporters have been sounding the alarm for months that they believed the commission was too loyal to the Republican and Democratic parties.

    The commission, which was created by the two parties in 1987, was founded on the principle that the debates would be run between candidates, and said from the start that it was unlikely to include third-party candidates in debates. At the 1992 debate, however, third-party candidate Ross Perot appeared on stage with President George H. W. Bush and Gov. Bill Clinton.

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    Gary Johnson is at 6% nationally, I think they need to lower their 15% threshold.

    However, you can't lower it too much, or you would have ten guys up there.

    Maybe 5%?
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    Just looked at some polling data, and it looks as if Johnson pulls voters away mainly from Romney and not Obama.

    If you put Johnson in a poll, Obama drops maybe a percentage point, while Romney drops four percent.

    This is unlike Perot, who drew votes away from both Clinton and Bush I in statistically even amounts, some even believe he pulled more from Clinton than Bush from exit polling at the time.

    I think many people threaten to vote independent or third party, but once in the booth they chicken out. But, even if Johnson polls at say 3% in the national election, it doesn't bode well for Mr. Romney.
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    I'd love it if people stopped being afraid to vote outside of the 2 party system. This is a good thing if people are demanding a non-partisan debate.
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    Well I am one of those people. I am basically a libertarian at heart however I am also a realist. Sure on principle I can vote for a candidate who will get maybe 1% of the vote however by doing so, I give a vote to a candidate I despise.

    I would rather have the lesser of two evils than evil itself.

    There are only two hopes for this country. One is to eliminate parties all together which will never happen. The other which will eventually happen is that the left and right will piss off the middle and they will form a centrist party. It's going that way as moderates are being pushed to the curb by the wackos of either party

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    Having a three-way debate certainly makes for more interesting televisual viewing - and can actually sway the public vote.

    Here in the UK, we do have a three party system: the Conservatives, the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats. Traditionally, it has been either the Tories (Conservatives) or Labour who have won the General Election. However, in 2010, we had our first televised debates, made up of the three parties. The leader of the Liberal Party did so well in that forum that, as a consequence, we ended up with a hung parliament and now have a Tory / Liberal government - the first formal coalition since the war years.

    I would like to take this opportunity, however, to point out that despite there being two parties 'in control', they're still cr*p and the country continues to go the dogs. But, yes, the TV debates were mildly entertaining - made more so by there being three parties involved - you guys should try it!
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    I have personally always approved of the three-some.

    Once you get more than four that it becomes complicated, then someone's feelings are bound to get hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggysmalls View Post
    Well I am one of those people. I am basically a libertarian at heart however I am also a realist. Sure on principle I can vote for a candidate who will get maybe 1% of the vote however by doing so, I give a vote to a candidate I despise.

    I would rather have the lesser of two evils than evil itself.

    There are only two hopes for this country. One is to eliminate parties all together which will never happen. The other which will eventually happen is that the left and right will piss off the middle and they will form a centrist party. It's going that way as moderates are being pushed to the curb by the wackos of either party
    Another thing to consider - by voting for a 3rd party you probably won't win, but you have a better chance of actually influencing politics. Say 10% voted libertarian. The 2 major parties would be trying to figure out how to re-capture all those votes - they'd have to incorporate more of the libertarian ideas to do that.
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    That's a good point, never thought of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    I have personally always approved of the three-some.

    Once you get more than four that it becomes complicated, then someone's feelings are bound to get hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Tires View Post
    Another thing to consider - by voting for a 3rd party you probably won't win, but you have a better chance of actually influencing politics. Say 10% voted libertarian. The 2 major parties would be trying to figure out how to re-capture all those votes - they'd have to incorporate more of the libertarian ideas to do that.
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    You put the wink in your post, you opened the door, can't blame me for walking in!
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    It wasn't even MEANT 'that way' - truly! I really was only referring to your following our political 'lead'!!!

    Oh, bugger it - now it just sounds like a case of "the lady doth protest too much"!
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    we have the same system up here (basically 3 major parties). Part of the reason this is possible though is the different electoral system. Basically once you get one representative elected you get a spot at the debates. This is why we've been stuck with 5 people in the last couple of debates (the Green Party leader - a party of one) and the Quebec Separtist party (although that guy is great in the English debates as they run no candidates in English Canada so he just insults the other leaders, great television).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burning Tires View Post
    Another thing to consider - by voting for a 3rd party you probably won't win, but you have a better chance of actually influencing politics. Say 10% voted libertarian. The 2 major parties would be trying to figure out how to re-capture all those votes - they'd have to incorporate more of the libertarian ideas to do that.
    Well they already cater to these people. They are called independent or undecided voters. This is why the both parties come to the center during this time of year. For the past 18 months they cater to the Tea Party, Moveon,org, etc until they win their respective primaries. During the convention they start trying to win the 30% which is the moderate vote.

    There are far more moderates out there than libertarians. This is far more attractive to both parties than catering to libertarians for the following reasons.

    What is the GOP's bread and butter with their base? Pro-life and a strong national defense. The war on terror. This goes against Libertarian beliefs.

    What is the Democrat's bread and butter? Big government and lots of entitlements which goes against libertarian beliefs.

    This is why for any change to occur it must come from the center. Not from the farther right or farther left. This is why if we see a party, it will be more moderate than what we have today

 

 

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