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    Both presidential nominees are facing more scrutiny for statements they have made in the past as the 2012 election is now less than two months away. Just this week, GOP nominee Mitt Romney faced criticism for his now infamous “47 percent” remarks, while President Barack Obama fought to downplay a 1998 video in which he voiced his support for “redistribution.”

    And while some Obama’s remarks from his past have gotten a lot of media attention, others have seemingly slipped under the radar.

    One of the videos that apparently went unnoticed is an unearthed clip from 1995, which originally surfaced sometime in 2009, which shows a visibly younger Barack Obama speaking candidly about collectivism and the history of America, which he explained has always been “toward concentration of power and oppression.”

    The discussion is titled “Strassman vs. Obama: ‘Corporate Power’ vs. ‘Common Ground.’” Obama announced his candidacy for Illinois state Senate in 1995.

    “Technological change is gonna to happen, scientific discoveries are gonna happen; I think with the collapse of communism I think we recognize that markets are gonna happen,” a young Obama says in the video.

    “But having said all that, I insist — and in this I think I am inheriting what was probably the best part of the dream from both my father, my African father, my white American mother. I think the best legacy of theirs, my inheritance, is the notion that we collectively can decide on our fate…things like technological change, things like mass media, things like the market, are all subject to our control, that we can make decisions for better or worse and continue to move forward and progress.”

    After being asked to clarify how government can make decisions as a “collective,“ Obama explained that it would have to be a democracy with a ”small ‘d’.”Obama continued: “I would challenge a reading of American history that would say the entire history of America is towards concentration of power and oppression. I think that American history moves in waves and cycles. I think that recapturing the spirit that existed not just in the civil rights movement but in the union organizing movement, in the populist movement, I think there is a running thread, one of the better angels of our nature in this country which has been the notion that you know we can sit around the table and find common ground and make democracy work in the way that it should be worked.”

    “Its not popular right now to say that and to believe in a kind of a common good but I think that notions of common good are the glue that hold our society together,” he concluded.

    When looking at just this one video, it would be easy write it off and argue anyone’s views can change over a nearly 20 year period, however, this isn’t the first time that Obama has been caught on tape talking about controversial topics regarding a more socialistic

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    Umm, not really reading anything bad there.

    It seem to me he is "challenging the notion" of "the history of America is towards concentration of power and oppression".

    As in, he disagrees with the notion. Unless it is poorly enunciated, poorly written down from his comments, or poorly understood by me!

    Either way, who cares, it was in 1995.
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    Yup, I feel bad for the OP. He thought he had FINALLY found the smoking gun proving Obama's a commie! Like "There! We got him!"

    Nope. Obama was the President of the Harvard Law Review. He knows the power of words and you're not going to find the things you're looking for in his old speeches.
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    Every quote of O's is always presented out of context to imply the opposite of what he actually meant. To me, it says tons more of his accusers than it ever could about his supposed words. Nice try, though. Actually probably better than a nice try as many gladly eat this stuff at face value. I get spammed every day with all kinds of fucking unbelievably fantastic crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-roc View Post
    Every quote of O's is always presented out of context to imply the opposite of what he actually meant.
    Isn't that the case with all politics? Left or Right?

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    Is that your argument - but they do it too?

    OK. Where? And where in the hell is Mitt Romney's Birth certificate??!!

    Look, I'm sure it happens, but in this case, Romney seems so boldfaced he doesn't need toto be taken out of context to look bad or incompetent or dubious. And in the brinksmanship of "Gotcha" politics, I would say the cons are way out in front. They will literally say and do anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-roc View Post
    Is that your argument - but they do it too?

    OK. Where? And where in the hell is Mitt Romney's Birth certificate??!!

    Look, I'm sure it happens, but in this case, Romney seems so boldfaced he doesn't need toto be taken out of context. And in the brinksmanship of "Gotcha" politics, I would say the cons are way out in front. They will literally say and do anything.
    Who the fuck is talking about Romney?

    The point, is that BOTH sides pull this kind of shit and it's disingenuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaboChris View Post
    Who the fuck is talking about Romney?

    The point, is that BOTH sides pull this kind of shit and it's disingenuous.
    Agree for the square. Was just citing him as the most apparent example for the sake of that supposed argument and went on a tear.
    And in taking that argument to its piss-contest conclusions, maybe it's just me, but it seems like a matter of degrees to the lows the conservatives
    will stoop to score points. With Rove behind the wheel, I guess that's no surprise. But there's a profound contempt and resentment for Obama the likes
    of him have tapped into that I'm not sure is entirely grounded. Tell me where I'm wrong and why he is such a disaster.

    Not necessarily directed at you CaboChris, but if this is going anywhere, I'll kick it down the field again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by E-roc View Post
    Agree for the square. Was just citing him as the most apparent example for the sake of that supposed argument and went on a tear.
    And in taking that argument to its piss-contest conclusions, maybe it's just me, but it seems like a matter of degrees to the lows the conservatives
    will stoop to score points. With Rove behind the wheel, I guess that's no surprise. But there's a profound contempt and resentment for Obama the likes
    of him have tapped into that I'm not sure is entirely grounded. Tell me where I'm wrong and why he is such a disaster.

    Not necessarily directed at you CaboChris, but if this is going anywhere, I'll kick it down the field again.
    It's all good, man.

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    This is what bothers me. People nitpick at every little thing a person says without ever going "what is the meaning of their point? What is their argument?"

    If they don't get 100% of their facts right, their ENTIRE message is disproved. Like what Romney said is that we have a problem where there is a lot of people who don't pay taxes. 47% or 27%, its a fucking problem and should be corrected. I also do feel that the Democratic parties policies do hold people down and they turn it around for votes. That is a problem, however because he has a R in front of his name, whatever he is saying is viewed as bullshit because his numbers don't add up as well. The message is there but we bury our heads in the sand.

    Just like Obama. Yes this country was founded on oppressing various peoples and unlimited power. We should be mindful that our past isn't fucking as peachy as the smell on 18 year old strippers behind. However because his name is Obama or he is a democrat, his speech is inflammatory.

    Just tired of this shit. You guys all think party before country and you will all be the downfall of our society

 

 

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