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    First lady Michelle Obama Thursday offered a rare public reflection on her religious faith, telling a conference of the African Methodist Episcopal church that the life of Jesus Christ is a model for democratic organizing.

    "It's kind of like church," Obama said. "Our faith journey isn't just about showing up on Sunday for a good sermon and good music and a good meal. It's about what we do Monday through Saturday as well, especially in those quiet moments, when the spotlight's not on us, and we're making those daily choices about how to live our lives.

    "We see that in the life of Jesus Christ. Jesus didn't limit his ministry to the four walls of the church," she said. "He was out there fighting injustice and speaking truth to power every single day. He was out there spreading a message of grace and redemption to the least, the last, and the lost. And our charge is to find Him everywhere, every day by how we live our lives."

    Obama, who is not a regular churchgoer, said citizenship like the practice of faith is "not a once-a-week kind of deal."

    "Democracy is also an everyday activity," she said. "And being an engaged citizen should once again be a daily part of our lives."

    The first lady said such engagement involved "the tireless, the thankless, relentless work of making change, you know, the phone-calling, letter-writing, door-knocking, meeting-planning kind of work."

    Her appearance at the Gaylord Opryland Resort in Nashville, Tenn., was dubbed an official event by the White House to recognize the history and legacy of the AME church, particularly its role in the civil rights movement.

    "Time and again, history has shown us that there is nothing - nothing - more powerful than ordinary citizens coming together for a just cause," Obama said. "And that is particularly true of folks in the AME church."

    The first lady concluded her trip to Tennessee with a campaign fundraiser in Memphis.
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    not sure what she said that was all that wrong.

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    She's spot on right with much of that she says about Jesus. I get the feeling it was thought out and heart felt.

    The Democracy part of her dealy there though....I get the strong impression that her tone or mindset is more of a charge to push through her husbands agenda to "make the change" rather than the other side of the coin in this democracy, which she's probably not thinking of so highly which is "fight the change"....also critical in this democracy. Essential, especially right now.
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    Well, with the strong backlash in some areas due to Obamacare, I am not surprised she (read: The White House and Barry) went this way at this meeting. People want to follow something, and this gives the moderate religious people a way to follow Barry and "keep the faith" (faith meaning Church and Dems) throughout the process

    Normally a conservative tactic though, but none of this surprises me anymore
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    First lady Michelle Obama Thursday offered a rare public reflection on her religious faith, telling a conference of the African Methodist Episcopal church..

    The first lady concluded her trip to Tennessee with a campaign fundraiser in Memphis.
    She's pandering. Using the name of Jesus Christ to win votes for her hubby while speaking before a conference of Christians.
    If she was speaking before a conference of Muslims then she'd be talking about what a wonderful influence that Mohammed has been in her life.

    And nothing in the Obama's speeches are "heartfelt". Those aren't even her words. Someone writes her speeches for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wruff_ajax View Post
    She's pandering. Using the name of Jesus Christ to win votes for her hubby while speaking before a conference of Christians.
    If she was speaking before a conference of Muslims then she'd be talking about what a wonderful influence that Mohammed has been in her life.
    you're probably right about this. But I think her words (whoever wrote them) are completely correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike
    you're probably right about this. But I think her words (whoever wrote them) are completely correct.
    Yes, well, anyone can copy a few verses from the bible and then wrap their own message around it, like she is doing here. Been done countless times since the life of Christ.
    And considering her context (her husbands actions and agendas while in office), then I think we can find blatant incongruity between her message and that of our Lord's.
    Consider Obama's position on abortion. Consider his ongoing attacks on religious freedom in America (which our own Catholic Church and peoples of all Christian faiths are standing strong against)... etc..


    (Relating her words to the message of Christ) The first lady said such engagement involved "the tireless, the thankless, relentless work of making change, .. "
    We've seen what kind of "change' the Obama's believe in, haven't we.

    Here's just a few "changes we can believe in", according to the Obama's so-called Christian faith...

    1. Acts of hostility toward people of Biblical faith:

    - May 2009 – Obama declines to host services for the National Prayer Day (a day established by federal law) at the White House.

    - April 2009 – In a deliberate act of disrespect, Obama nominated three pro-abortion ambassadors to the Vatican; of course, the pro-life Vatican rejected all three.

    - April 2009 – When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name be covered when he is making his speech.

    - February 2009 – Obama announces plans to revoke conscience protection for health workers who refuse to participate in medical activities that go against their beliefs, and fully implements the plan in February 2011.

    - October 19, 2010 – Obama begins deliberately omitting the phrase about “the Creator” when quoting the Declaration of Independence – an omission he has made on no less than seven occasions.

    - January 2011 – After a federal law was passed to transfer a WWI Memorial in the Mojave Desert to private ownership, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the cross in the memorial could continue to stand, but the Obama administration refused to allow the land to be transferred as required by law, and refused to allow the cross to be re-erected as ordered by the Court.

    - February 2011 – Although he filled posts in the State Department, for more than two years Obama did not fill the post of religious freedom ambassador, an official that works against religious persecution across the world; he filled it only after heavy pressure from the public and from Congress.

    - April 2011 – For the first time in American history, Obama urges passage of a non-discrimination law that does not contain hiring protections for religious groups, forcing religious organizations to hire according to federal mandates without regard to the dictates of their own faith, thus eliminating conscience protection in hiring.

    - August 2011 – The Obama administration releases its new health care rules that override religious conscience protections for medical workers in the areas of abortion and contraception.

    - November 2011 – Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt’s famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial.

    - November 2011 – Unlike previous presidents, Obama studiously avoids any religious references in his Thanksgiving speech.

    - December 2011 – The Obama administration denigrates other countries' religious beliefs as an obstacle to radical homosexual rights.

    - January 2012 – The Obama administration argues that the First Amendment provides no protection for churches and synagogues in hiring their pastors and rabbis.

    - February 2012 – The Obama administration forgives student loans in exchange for public service, but announces it will no longer forgive student loans if the public service is related to religion.

    2. Acts of hostility from the Obama-led military toward people of Biblical faith:

    - June 2011 – The Department of Veterans Affairs forbids references to God and Jesus during burial ceremonies at Houston National Cemetery.

    - August 2011 – The Air Force stops teaching the Just War theory to officers in California because the course is taught by chaplains and is based on a philosophy introduced by St. Augustine in the third century AD – a theory long taught by civilized nations across the world (except America).

    - September 2011 – Air Force Chief of Staff prohibits commanders from notifying airmen of programs and services available to them from chaplains.

    - September 2011 – The Army issues guidelines for Walter Reed Medical Center stipulating that “No religious items (i.e. Bibles, reading materials and/or facts) are allowed to be given away or used during a visit.”

    - November 2011 – The Air Force Academy rescinds support for Operation Christmas Child, a program to send holiday gifts to impoverished children across the world, because the program is run by a Christian charity.

    - November 2011 – The Air Force Academy pays $80,000 to add a Stonehenge-like worship center for pagans, druids, witches and Wiccans.

    - February 2012 – The U. S. Military Academy at West Point disinvites three star Army general and decorated war hero Lieutenant General William G. (“Jerry”) Boykin (retired) from speaking at an event because he is an outspoken Christian.

    - February 2012 – The Air Force removes “God” from the patch of Rapid Capabilities Office (the word on the patch was in Latin: Dei).

    - February 2012 – The Army orders Catholic chaplains not to read a letter to parishioners that their archbishop asked them to read.

    - April 2012 – A checklist for Air Force Inns will no longer include ensuring that a Bible is available in rooms for those who want to use them.

    - May 2012 - The Obama administration opposes legislation to protect the rights of conscience for military chaplains who do not wish to perform same-sex marriages in violation of their strongly-held religious beliefs.

    - June 2012 - Bibles for the American military have been printed in every conflict since the American Revolution, but the Obama Administration revokes the long-standing U. S. policy of allowing military service emblems to be placed on those military Bibles.

    3. Acts of hostility toward Biblical values:

    - January 2009 – Obama lifts restrictions on U.S. government funding for groups that provide abortion services or counseling abroad, forcing taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations.

    - January 2009 – President Obama’s nominee for deputy secretary of state asserts that American taxpayers are required to pay for abortions and that limits on abortion funding are unconstitutional.

    - March 2009 – The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit.

    - March 2009 – Obama orders taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research.

    - March 2009 – Obama gave $50 million for the UNFPA, the UN population agency that promotes abortion and works closely with Chinese population control officials who use forced abortions and involuntary sterilizations.

    - May 2009 – The White House budget eliminates all funding for abstinence-only education and replaces it with “comprehensive” sexual education, repeatedly proven to increase teen pregnancies and abortions. 34 He continues the deletion in subsequent budgets.

    - May 2009 – Obama officials assemble a terrorism dictionary calling pro-life advocates violent and charging that they use racism in their “criminal” activities.

    - July 2009 – The Obama administration illegally extends federal benefits to same-sex partners of Foreign Service and Executive Branch employees, in direction violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

    - September 16, 2009 – The Obama administration appoints as EEOC Commissioner Chai Feldblum, who asserts that society should “not tolerate” any “private beliefs,” including religious beliefs, if they may negatively affect homosexual “equality.”

    - July 2010 – The Obama administration uses federal funds in violation of federal law to get Kenya to change its constitution to include abortion.

    - August 2010 – The Obama administration Cuts funding for 176 abstinence education programs.

    - September 2010 – The Obama administration tells researchers to ignore a judge’s decision striking down federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.

    - February 2011 – Obama directs the Justice Department to stop defending the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

    - March 2011 – The Obama administration refuses to investigate videos showing Planned Parenthood helping alleged sex traffickers get abortions for victimized underage girls.

    - July 2011 – Obama allows homosexuals to serve openly in the military, reversing a policy originally instituted by George Washington in March 1778.

    - September 2011 – The Pentagon directs that military chaplains may perform same-sex marriages at military facilities in violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

    - October 2011 – The Obama administration eliminates federal grants to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops for their extensive programs that aid victims of human trafficking because the Catholic Church is anti-abortion.

    4. Acts of preferentialism for Islam:

    - May 2009 – While Obama does not host any National Day of Prayer event at the White House, he does host White House Iftar dinners in honor of Ramadan.

    - April 2010 – Christian leader Franklin Graham is disinvited from the Pentagon’s National Day of Prayer Event because of complaints from the Muslim community.

    - April 2010 – The Obama administration requires rewriting of government documents and a change in administration vocabulary to remove terms that are deemed offensive to Muslims, including jihad, jihadists, terrorists, radical Islamic, etc.

    - August 2010 – Obama speaks with great praise of Islam and condescendingly of Christianity. Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they “cling to guns or religion” and have an “antipathy to people who aren't like them.”

    - August 2010 – Obama went to great lengths to speak out on multiple occasions on behalf of building an Islamic mosque at Ground Zero, while at the same time he was silent about a Christian church being denied permission to rebuild at that location.

    - 2010 – While every White House traditionally issues hundreds of official proclamations and statements on numerous occasions, this White House avoids traditional Biblical holidays and events but regularly recognizes major Muslim holidays, as evidenced by its 2010 statements on Ramadan, Eid-ul-Fitr, Hajj, and Eid-ul-Adha.

    - October 2011 – Obama’s Muslim advisers block Middle Eastern Christians’ access to the White House.

    - February 2012 – The Obama administration makes effulgent apologies for Korans being burned by the U. S. military, but when Bibles were burned by the military, numerous reasons were offered why it was the right thing to do.


    Absolutely unprecedented hostility by a U.S. president towards people of Christian faith.
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    If only it were that simple
    It is what it is

    I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wruff_ajax View Post
    She's pandering. Using the name of Jesus Christ to win votes for her hubby while speaking before a conference of Christians.
    If she was speaking before a conference of Muslims then she'd be talking about what a wonderful influence that Mohammed has been in her life.

    And nothing in the Obama's speeches are "heartfelt". Those aren't even her words. Someone writes her speeches for her.
    Screw her--hopefully when she faces Jesus--he sends her straight to Hell for her role in deceiving the American People !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wruff_ajax View Post
    Yes, well, anyone can copy a few verses from the bible and then wrap their own message around it, like she is doing here. Been done countless times since the life of Christ.
    And considering her context (her husbands actions and agendas while in office), then I think we can find blatant incongruity between her message and that of our Lord's.
    Consider Obama's position on abortion. Consider his ongoing attacks on religious freedom in America (which our own Catholic Church and peoples of all Christian faiths are standing strong against)... etc..




    We've seen what kind of "change' the Obama's believe in, haven't we.

    Here's just a few "changes we can believe in", according to the Obama's so-called Christian faith...

    1. Acts of hostility toward people of Biblical faith:

    - May 2009 – Obama declines to host services for the National Prayer Day (a day established by federal law) at the White House.

    - April 2009 – In a deliberate act of disrespect, Obama nominated three pro-abortion ambassadors to the Vatican; of course, the pro-life Vatican rejected all three.

    - April 2009 – When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name be covered when he is making his speech.

    - February 2009 – Obama announces plans to revoke conscience protection for health workers who refuse to participate in medical activities that go against their beliefs, and fully implements the plan in February 2011.

    - October 19, 2010 – Obama begins deliberately omitting the phrase about “the Creator” when quoting the Declaration of Independence – an omission he has made on no less than seven occasions.

    - January 2011 – After a federal law was passed to transfer a WWI Memorial in the Mojave Desert to private ownership, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the cross in the memorial could continue to stand, but the Obama administration refused to allow the land to be transferred as required by law, and refused to allow the cross to be re-erected as ordered by the Court.

    - February 2011 – Although he filled posts in the State Department, for more than two years Obama did not fill the post of religious freedom ambassador, an official that works against religious persecution across the world; he filled it only after heavy pressure from the public and from Congress.

    - April 2011 – For the first time in American history, Obama urges passage of a non-discrimination law that does not contain hiring protections for religious groups, forcing religious organizations to hire according to federal mandates without regard to the dictates of their own faith, thus eliminating conscience protection in hiring.

    - August 2011 – The Obama administration releases its new health care rules that override religious conscience protections for medical workers in the areas of abortion and contraception.

    - November 2011 – Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt’s famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial.

    - November 2011 – Unlike previous presidents, Obama studiously avoids any religious references in his Thanksgiving speech.

    - December 2011 – The Obama administration denigrates other countries' religious beliefs as an obstacle to radical homosexual rights.

    - January 2012 – The Obama administration argues that the First Amendment provides no protection for churches and synagogues in hiring their pastors and rabbis.

    - February 2012 – The Obama administration forgives student loans in exchange for public service, but announces it will no longer forgive student loans if the public service is related to religion.

    2. Acts of hostility from the Obama-led military toward people of Biblical faith:

    - June 2011 – The Department of Veterans Affairs forbids references to God and Jesus during burial ceremonies at Houston National Cemetery.

    - August 2011 – The Air Force stops teaching the Just War theory to officers in California because the course is taught by chaplains and is based on a philosophy introduced by St. Augustine in the third century AD – a theory long taught by civilized nations across the world (except America).

    - September 2011 – Air Force Chief of Staff prohibits commanders from notifying airmen of programs and services available to them from chaplains.

    - September 2011 – The Army issues guidelines for Walter Reed Medical Center stipulating that “No religious items (i.e. Bibles, reading materials and/or facts) are allowed to be given away or used during a visit.”

    - November 2011 – The Air Force Academy rescinds support for Operation Christmas Child, a program to send holiday gifts to impoverished children across the world, because the program is run by a Christian charity.

    - November 2011 – The Air Force Academy pays $80,000 to add a Stonehenge-like worship center for pagans, druids, witches and Wiccans.

    - February 2012 – The U. S. Military Academy at West Point disinvites three star Army general and decorated war hero Lieutenant General William G. (“Jerry”) Boykin (retired) from speaking at an event because he is an outspoken Christian.

    - February 2012 – The Air Force removes “God” from the patch of Rapid Capabilities Office (the word on the patch was in Latin: Dei).

    - February 2012 – The Army orders Catholic chaplains not to read a letter to parishioners that their archbishop asked them to read.

    - April 2012 – A checklist for Air Force Inns will no longer include ensuring that a Bible is available in rooms for those who want to use them.

    - May 2012 - The Obama administration opposes legislation to protect the rights of conscience for military chaplains who do not wish to perform same-sex marriages in violation of their strongly-held religious beliefs.

    - June 2012 - Bibles for the American military have been printed in every conflict since the American Revolution, but the Obama Administration revokes the long-standing U. S. policy of allowing military service emblems to be placed on those military Bibles.

    3. Acts of hostility toward Biblical values:

    - January 2009 – Obama lifts restrictions on U.S. government funding for groups that provide abortion services or counseling abroad, forcing taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations.

    - January 2009 – President Obama’s nominee for deputy secretary of state asserts that American taxpayers are required to pay for abortions and that limits on abortion funding are unconstitutional.

    - March 2009 – The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit.

    - March 2009 – Obama orders taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research.

    - March 2009 – Obama gave $50 million for the UNFPA, the UN population agency that promotes abortion and works closely with Chinese population control officials who use forced abortions and involuntary sterilizations.

    - May 2009 – The White House budget eliminates all funding for abstinence-only education and replaces it with “comprehensive” sexual education, repeatedly proven to increase teen pregnancies and abortions. 34 He continues the deletion in subsequent budgets.

    - May 2009 – Obama officials assemble a terrorism dictionary calling pro-life advocates violent and charging that they use racism in their “criminal” activities.

    - July 2009 – The Obama administration illegally extends federal benefits to same-sex partners of Foreign Service and Executive Branch employees, in direction violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

    - September 16, 2009 – The Obama administration appoints as EEOC Commissioner Chai Feldblum, who asserts that society should “not tolerate” any “private beliefs,” including religious beliefs, if they may negatively affect homosexual “equality.”

    - July 2010 – The Obama administration uses federal funds in violation of federal law to get Kenya to change its constitution to include abortion.

    - August 2010 – The Obama administration Cuts funding for 176 abstinence education programs.

    - September 2010 – The Obama administration tells researchers to ignore a judge’s decision striking down federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.

    - February 2011 – Obama directs the Justice Department to stop defending the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

    - March 2011 – The Obama administration refuses to investigate videos showing Planned Parenthood helping alleged sex traffickers get abortions for victimized underage girls.

    - July 2011 – Obama allows homosexuals to serve openly in the military, reversing a policy originally instituted by George Washington in March 1778.

    - September 2011 – The Pentagon directs that military chaplains may perform same-sex marriages at military facilities in violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

    - October 2011 – The Obama administration eliminates federal grants to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops for their extensive programs that aid victims of human trafficking because the Catholic Church is anti-abortion.

    4. Acts of preferentialism for Islam:

    - May 2009 – While Obama does not host any National Day of Prayer event at the White House, he does host White House Iftar dinners in honor of Ramadan.

    - April 2010 – Christian leader Franklin Graham is disinvited from the Pentagon’s National Day of Prayer Event because of complaints from the Muslim community.

    - April 2010 – The Obama administration requires rewriting of government documents and a change in administration vocabulary to remove terms that are deemed offensive to Muslims, including jihad, jihadists, terrorists, radical Islamic, etc.

    - August 2010 – Obama speaks with great praise of Islam and condescendingly of Christianity. Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they “cling to guns or religion” and have an “antipathy to people who aren't like them.”

    - August 2010 – Obama went to great lengths to speak out on multiple occasions on behalf of building an Islamic mosque at Ground Zero, while at the same time he was silent about a Christian church being denied permission to rebuild at that location.

    - 2010 – While every White House traditionally issues hundreds of official proclamations and statements on numerous occasions, this White House avoids traditional Biblical holidays and events but regularly recognizes major Muslim holidays, as evidenced by its 2010 statements on Ramadan, Eid-ul-Fitr, Hajj, and Eid-ul-Adha.

    - October 2011 – Obama’s Muslim advisers block Middle Eastern Christians’ access to the White House.

    - February 2012 – The Obama administration makes effulgent apologies for Korans being burned by the U. S. military, but when Bibles were burned by the military, numerous reasons were offered why it was the right thing to do.


    Absolutely unprecedented hostility by a U.S. president towards people of Christian faith.
    Now there's some Hope and Change you can believe in !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wruff_ajax View Post
    We've seen what kind of "change' the Obama's believe in, haven't we.

    Here's just a few "changes we can believe in", according to the Obama's so-called Christian faith...

    1. Acts of hostility toward people of Biblical faith:

    - May 2009 – Obama declines to host services for the National Prayer Day (a day established by federal law) at the White House.
    Please provide link to source, I want to see this eslewhere so I can post it on Facebook and piss off a few of my liberal Obama cock sucking friends...
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    No offense meant to the very religious, but I have no problem with Obama, or any other President, not hosting services for the National Day of Prayer.

    It is a stupid fucking law. I'm a practicing Christian, and I think it's stupid.

    If he had held the services, but had a Muslim Imam be the leader of it, people would be pissed off that he held them.

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