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    Default Chickenfoot Albums and Brickwalled Production

    Hi, all.

    I asked this question in main but didn't get a definitive answer. I was thrilled with the new Van Halen record but not as enamoured with the brickwall production, which is, of course, common with most releases these days.

    However, I don't get that vibe as much from the Chickenfoot albums, which are great (especially the first one) but not quite in the same league to me as the new VH album (Mainly for the Ed and Al money shot that always gets me off like no one else lol.). The CF albums don't seem to have that wall of sound that tires out my ears like ADKOT does.

    Can anyone tell me definitively if the CF albums have that dynamic like the new VH album does?

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    Okayyyyyyyyyyy...
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    Both sounded great to me

    I am no audiophile though...
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    ADKOT really is disappointing because the drums are buried way down in the mix. Other than that, it's fine.

    CFIII sounds very balanced to me.

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    It's loud but more dynamic than ADKOT

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14919488/Scr...23.35%20PM.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr5115 View Post
    ADKOT really is disappointing because the drums are buried way down in the mix. Other than that, it's fine.

    CFIII sounds very balanced to me.
    If I was only allowed to nitpick one thing about A Different Kind of Truth (which is ridiculous to nitpick to begin with because of the miracle it is just by being released) it would be that the drums aren't as dynamically prominent in the mix. Especially Alex's "brown sound" snare.

    When I trail ride on my mountain bike with an iPod and foam ear-buds with Dave-era Van Halen in shuffle mode, all their albums from 1978-1984 and 1996 sound clearer with better separation dynamics than ADKoT. There is a high-end "sssssshhhhhhhhhh" sound always present with the sheer compression of the sound vs. the old stuff. Sign of the times with recording these days, I'm afraid. And Van Halen is a perfect example to sample this modern-day phenomenon since Alex has always uses crash cymbals like hi-hats in their music like no other drummer does. So when you hear constant thrashing on a crash cymbal it will inherently have that high-end "sssssshhhhhhhhhh" sound regardless. In the old recordings it's clean and separated from the other instruments but on ADKoT, the entire mix of the album has this high-end "sssssshhhhhhhhhh" sound regardless of what Alex is playing.

    Maybe I'm only noticing it while feeding it into my head through sound-canceling foam-earplug headphones while I'm focused on punishing myself through miles of grass trails on a bicycle in a park.

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    Alex's kick drum is also nowhere to be found, buried under Wolf's bass. IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rx7dude View Post
    It's loud but more dynamic than ADKOT

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14919488/Scr...23.35%20PM.png
    I take it this is something from Chickenfoot? Looks pretty brick walled.
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    Sorry, I should have mentioned it's Bigfoot. Compared to stuff from the 80's, sure it's brickwalled. Like I said it's loud. But I find it's not AS compressed as ADKOT. Here's She the Women next to Bigfoot. STW is on the left. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14919488/Scr...11.07%20PM.png I had a quick look at some of the older VH albums. It's interesting to see that Balance, the one that everyone thinks sounds amazing, is also the loudest Van Hagar disc.

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    Thanks for replying and making that clear. I do not at all like today's production style, this brick walled thing. I started a thread in main about "What If Glen Ballard" produced ADKOT and I think it relates to my ears getting tired listening to the great music of ADKOT. I love it, but it tires my ears. I had to take it out of my CD player in the car the other day and listen to some classic VH just to rest my ears.
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    Default Brickwall production? What is it?

    Can someone educate me on the term brickwall production? I'm not familiar with it, and thus, am not following this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch View Post
    Can someone educate me on the term brickwall production? I'm not familiar with it, and thus, am not following this thread.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

    Here's a visual example comparing the different releases of a Michael Jackson song through the years:



    Here's a good start on YouTube:




    And here's a great article (archived from ProRec.com) concerning Rush's "Vapor Trails":

    http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/tra...0831prorec.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fontcow View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

    Here's a good start on YouTube:



    That really helped to explain it. Thanks for that. I hear alot of songs on the modern rock station that I always think would sound better if they weren't so compressed or overly produced. It sounds like there's no room for the instruments to breathe and feel/sound more organic, but instead it sounds so digital and generic. Yet when I hear something like Slash's solo stuff where he records with analog, it sounds much better.

    Is there any correlation between this "loudness war" and analog? Or is it just a matter of good production?

    Shit, I almost feel like I know something about this subject.

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    My Chickenfoot MP3s are MUCH QUIETER than most of my other ones. I don't hear aNY brickwalling in them at all...
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