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    This Explains his absence! He is tired of collaborating in the flesh, and feeding of the real vibes of other human beings. So he is jumping on the slutty Corporate Rock Bandwagon. No one out there now has any originality or any good ol' 4 guys in a room gusto, So Eddie is learning how to use Pro Tools to show eveyone in the music that has no feeling, that he can be better at having no feeling. (what a turn off---Pro Tools.)

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    I thought he was learning the tuba!
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    Nothing inherently evil with Pro Tools,
    brother. It's just a way to get sound onto
    disc. I think yer confusing ProTools with
    electronic programming. While PT does
    have that capability, it's basically the same
    thing as a multitrack recorder.
    What I'm curious about though is, is your
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    heard about Eddie or is it based on some
    Ludditian fear. I know Eddie was anti-PT
    himself, but I thought it was the analog vs.
    digital argument. Please to explain...

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    Originally posted by bobthyfan:
    This Explains his absence! He is tired of collaborating in the flesh, and feeding of the real vibes of other human beings. So he is jumping on the slutty Corporate Rock Bandwagon. No one out there now has any originality or any good ol' 4 guys in a room gusto, So Eddie is learning how to use Pro Tools to show eveyone in the music that has no feeling, that he can be better at having no feeling. (what a turn off---Pro Tools.)


    What on earth gives you the idea that Pro Tools gives music no feeling?
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    What I'm curious about though is, is your
    statement based on something you know/
    heard about Eddie or is it based on some
    Ludditian fear.
    I think that bobthyfan was speculating with some amount of irony. I could be wrong.
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    Originally posted by Dr. Love:
    What on earth gives you the idea that Pro Tools gives music no feeling?
    I think a lot of people have this impression of Pro Tools based on the fact that you can tweak the performance after the fact, forgoing the need to get that perfect take. IMHO, the ability to digitally revise performances is one of the single biggest problems in modern music. Gone, are the good old days when someone actually had to gain the proper proficiency with their instrument, or actually have some talent. Now, any hack with the right equipment can lay down a base track and enhance the hell out of it.

    I suspect this is partially the reason why so many of us are happy about the Audioslave and Pearl Jam releases, real music played by real musicians.

    Oh yeah, and digital sound sucks. [img]graemlins/irked.gif[/img] Record in analog, mix and master in digital, that's the way to go. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] Of course, for those operating a home studio, finances usually dictate the digital approach, which is understandable.
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    "Tweak the performance after the fact."

    Well, when the Beatles recorded Sergeant Pepper on 4-track analog, there was a hell of a lot of "tweaking the performance after the fact."

    Pro Tools, the audio editing hardware and software (which I know and use every day at work) is essentially a faster way to make edits that are possible, but incredibly time-consuming when splicing and dubbing analog tape.

    Then there are all kind of software plugins, like Auto-Tune and Pitch'n'Time, that go along with PT. People like to rip on these because they also allow for tweakage. News flash: If you suck, there are no plugins that make you not suck anymore.

    "Feeling" in music is in the ear of the beholder, anyway. It doesn't reside on a tape or in digits. It's in the listener's perception.

    And don't talk shit about things you know nothing about!
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    Originally posted by Crazy from the Hemp:
    Record in analog, mix and master in digital, that's the way to go.
    Agreed.

    There's kind of a common misconception that digital = good and analog = passe.

    both have their merits.
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    Why would someone with a $60,000 Studer analog board, a top knotch studio setup, and virtuosic chops bother with Pro Tools? Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing digital software (I use Emagic Logic) but it would seem kind of pointless for EVH to cut and paste guitar parts together. I can see it being necessary for a loser like Joe Perry but not my V-dogg Ed.

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    Originally posted by Lead Synth:
    "Tweak the performance after the fact."

    Well, when the Beatles recorded Sergeant Pepper on 4-track analog, there was a hell of a lot of "tweaking the performance after the fact."

    Pro Tools, the audio editing hardware and software (which I know and use every day at work) is essentially a faster way to make edits that are possible, but incredibly time-consuming when splicing and dubbing analog tape.

    Then there are all kind of software plugins, like Auto-Tune and Pitch'n'Time, that go along with PT. People like to rip on these because they also allow for tweakage. News flash: If you suck, there are no plugins that make you not suck anymore.

    "Feeling" in music is in the ear of the beholder, anyway. It doesn't reside on a tape or in digits. It's in the listener's perception.

    And don't talk shit about things you know nothing about!
    As someone who's spent countless hours editing music beds with both reel to reel/razor and digital waveform software, i feel more than qualified to offer my opinion on this topic, or is it no longer a public forum? Who appointed you the de facto Pro Tools expert?

    With analog tape, if you can't nail it one take, you've got to splice takes together. Short of speeding or slowing the tape manually and bouncing it to another track (which is very hit and miss and loses a generation), you've don't have near the capability for pitch and tempo correction that modern digital tools offer.

    Whether it's Pro Tools or a plugin (that's semantics, nothing more), the application gives you the ability to tweak a single take of a mediocre performance into a good one.

    Do you have any links to support your assertion that the Beatles exploited the analog technology of the day for anything more than cutting tape and adding effects? Funny, I think most people are under the impression that the lads from Liverpool actually honed their playing skills playing clubs in Germany. From what you're saying, I guess they were just the Backstreet Boys of their day.
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    wow, i had no idea.

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    [quote]Originally posted by Dr. Love:
    What on earth gives you the idea that Pro Tools gives music no feeling?
    'Cause, the music doesn't come from the soul, it comes from a friggin' computer.
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    As someone who has recorded digitally and on analog, there is no question that a better, truer, and warmer sound comes from recording in analog. Drums in particular, can sound horrible recorded digitally....no depth and tinny. I agree, for the best sound, you record on good ole
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    I don't care so much that he's using Pro Tools for his music, so long as he's not doing the new Aerosmith thing of, "I'm gonna record some vocals on my removeable hard drive, then take it over to Joe Perry's house and mix it with his guitar, then walk it over to Joey's house and let him record the drums in his spare time, and then a month from now, when Whitford gets back from Maui, we'll let him throw his 2 cents in"

    My concern would be that Eddie may not have anyone there to "reel him in" if he begins editing and arranging things by himself.....maybe that's not where he's headed, though.

    Eddie has ALWAYS had spare rythyms and "jams" stored on tape, just ready for lyrics, etc., but then again, prior to VH3, he always had a producer & lead singer that would tell him to f*ck off when he went overboard, or played something that sucked.

    I think his statement was that before VH3, the guys used to tell him, "shut up and just give us the riff".

    ...........Couldn't have said it better, Sam & Dave....

    Anyway, hey, I thought I saw on TV that a certain band was recording with analog, but then importing it digitally into Pro Tools for editing?

    That process still sounds fairly "organic" to me, although I wouldn't know.

 

 

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